OK. Now don't fly out here to slap me around. The M50 and M51 were not "Ishermans". Only the Israeli Sherman M1 was officially designated "Super Shermans". Israeli Shermans were designated by the type of gun it was armed with. M1 with the US M1 76mm, M50 with the French 75mm (French copy of the 75mm Panther gun) and M51 after the French 105mm gun. The M1 was the first IDF Sherman armed with a main gun larger than 75mm, thus called "Super Sherman". All others, despite what books, kit boxes say or what ever, are not "Ishermans". Just whatever type gun they were armed with. You refer to any later model M4 as that to an IDF expert or on an IDF model forum, you will be scoffed at. I can tell by this not being answered, we need more armor guys here at LSM. I will try to round up my "homies" start hanging here.