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Iron Spike

B-17 bare metal or iconic olive drab?

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Hello everyone, im new, fresh and green...

im about to build a HM B-17 and im kind of in a delemma: 

A B-17 should be my first bare metal paint (metallizer) project - shes just made for it.

However, for me a B-17 is olive green. Dull, boring, beaten up. Not so „shiny airliner like“ bare metal. 

So now my request:

Are there any B-17s that have the well known olive drab top but are bare metal under their „skirts“? As far as i know the olive ones had all this even more boring sky grey paint on their underside. I have hopes that THIS (olibe top and bare metal belly) would fix my problem.

I already know the „Little Miss Mischief“ - a kind of a zombi-aircraft, with a bare metal body stuck to a olive tail section.

What are your B-17 sources? I want an all acurate airplane. What i mean: I may leave out details because im not able to put them in, but i dont change an airplane into something fictional.

Oh and btw: It has to be an european theater airplane. I want something that acutally flew here the one or the other day and night...

 

Thank you!

Iron Spike

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Welcome to our home spike ! I would suggest the web. Plenty of sites and pics. You should be able to find something that's peaks your interest. BTW what mark do you have ? A G model ?.....harv :1051927712:

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Hi and thanks,

im talking about the HKM 1/32 B-17G. I am fulls open regarding the markings and numbers, as long the aircraft excist(ed) and is not fictional. I found a lot of (historic) images - but honesty, i prefere asking people over asking „the internet“.

I found here a couple of great/amazing B-17 builds, both olive and bare metal. So chances are high that one here is an expert to B-17s. I would value such expert opinios way more over „what could be found“ in the internet.

 

Do you have any sources in mind?

 

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Do both!  

I have the Memphis Belle kit and a G.  Planning on doing one of each.  Gotta get the aluminum foil technique mastered first.  

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There were several B-17Es and Fs in OD over neutral grey that were rebuilt so would be a fantastic subject for mismatched and weathered paint. 

Zotz had at least one of them on his decal sheets. 

There was supposedly another G but the opposite of Little Miss Mischief- OD front with a NMF dear section. 

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Foil it baby!

 

Welcome to the forums!

 

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6 hours ago, BlrwestSiR said:

There were several B-17Es and Fs in OD over neutral grey that were rebuilt so would be a fantastic subject for mismatched and weathered paint. 

Zotz had at least one of them on his decal sheets. 

There was supposedly another G but the opposite of Little Miss Mischief- OD front with a NMF dear section. 

Hi, 

but these OD B-17s have these grey belly right? None, i mean litterally none, of the OD B-17s have a bare metal belly? 

 

Because if thats true, i have to pick either a „regular“ NMF one or the „Litte Miss Mischief“. 

Does wnyone of you guys have a good source for reference information about B-17s? 

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The only two reference books I have on the B-17:

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The Kagero book has both F and G Fortresses. Lots of pics of nose art and a few colour profiles. Unfortunately none are OD over NMF.

 

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A look into the timeline of B 17 supply in WW2 we see od/grey to start and then a switch to nmf as the realization that there is little need to camo a plane that leaves a 10 mile long vapour trail behind it.

So there was no nmf/grey period to speak of as the decision to not camoflage the planes covered the stoppage of both upper and lower painting.

Thats how I see it , the camo/nmf aberrations we see are exactly that ; aberrations from assembly of damaged planes.

HAlf & half fuse, wing tips , whole wings etc were used as they could be. But no horizontal splits as suggested , just paint/nmf changes on panle lines as they are put together.

I have a dozen B 17 kits 1/72 , 1/48 AND THE BIG ONES TOO!

Heres how I'll do mine:image.jpeg.3f936bfddfdf2e6dd52076af82367f88.jpegA jet black insurrection intruder.

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Hi

this is what i was afraid of. They came out with camo and then it wasnt any longere necessary.

I found this site:

https://www.markstyling.com/1ad_b17s1.htm

There are plenty (all, most) B-17 side views. And you got at least an idea about their paint sheme - of absence of it. If you look at their numbers/year you can clearly see the early ones are with camo, the later one just NMF.

*sigh* 

@BlrwestSiR thanks for the books.

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2 hours ago, Iron Spike said:

Hi

this is what i was afraid of. They came out with camo and then it wasnt any longere necessary.

I found this site:

https://www.markstyling.com/1ad_b17s1.htm

There are plenty (all, most) B-17 side views. And you got at least an idea about their paint sheme - of absence of it. If you look at their numbers/year you can clearly see the early ones are with camo, the later one just NMF.

*sigh* 

@BlrwestSiR thanks for the books.

Thanks for that link. There are lots of nice profiles on there for future ideas. Pity you can't find a NMF/OD combo but I'm sure something will take your fancy.

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