1/32 Westland Whirlwind

[GunnarO]

1 hour ago, JeroenPeters said:

Hi Gunnar,

I’m jumping all over the place and now i’m looking at the slats. In this photo you see the extended slats. It says they are interconnected with the flaps.

First question: looking at reference photo’s i see a lot of planes on the ground with slightly dropped flaps but not extended slats. Shouldnt they both be out/down?

second: the model shows no panel line on the upper wing where the slat should be. Also dont see it in drawings. How so?

 

thnx in advance!

 

The inner slat, cooling flap and flap are interconnected and moves at the same time. The outer slats was locked shut at some point, depending on what aircraft you build and from which time you can either keep them locked or open.

[JeroenPeters]

Thnx! Here we go. Cut out the slats parts on the upper and lower wing. 
slats will need additional thinning on the edge. This will make the wings more interesting to look at.

 

[GunnarO]

I can’t really say that I have seen any pictures of the slats extended other than of the second prototype. They were locked shut quite early, before all Whirlwinds were finished from the factory. They were however issued to both 263 sqn and 137 sqn before that happened but not converted to fighter bombers. You will never see a Whirlwind with bombs and extended slats. 
 

They look more interesting with the slats extended though. I was thinking of making one as the second prototype that way. I’m just not sure I’m brave enough to do it. 🫣

[JeroenPeters]

18 minutes ago, GunnarO said:

I can’t really say that I have seen any pictures of the slats extended other than of the second prototype. They were locked shut quite early, before all Whirlwinds were finished from the factory. They were however issued to both 263 sqn and 137 sqn before that happened but not converted to fighter bombers. You will never see a Whirlwind with bombs and extended slats. 
 

They look more interesting with the slats extended though. I was thinking of making one as the second prototype that way. I’m just not sure I’m brave enough to do it. 🫣

Thnx. So any aircraft BEFORE P7054. I need to research what schemes that leaves me

[JeroenPeters]

A whole evening sanding and still it looks the same as yesterday :))

 

[JeroenPeters]

Started making the rear frame of the gearbay. Bit too crude and not finished yet. Might scrap it and start over. Not sure yet.

 

[JeroenPeters]

Just recieved the Kitsworld cockpit set.

It looks like it spent too much time in the oven. Weird blobs and strange deformations. Sent Kitsworld an email so fingers crossed.

 

I can’t use this… 
 

 

[JeroenPeters]

Spent another evening thinning panels, sanding the slats into a proper shape and adding flanges to the gondola’s.

 

[JeroenPeters]

Figuring out whether to leave engine cover panel 1 in place and only removing 2 and the side panels.

i have gathered a few books, also borrowed and got one from Cees Broere, but can’t find any good reference on what panels were usually removed for maintenance.

 

[GunnarO]

This is the only picture I’ve seen with the panels removed if I remember correctly.

[BlrwestSiR]

Nice work Jeroen. The flange you made really adds a finishing touch to the nacelle. 

The Kits World panel is quite a disappointment the way it looks. 

[JeroenPeters]

8 hours ago, GunnarO said:

This is the only picture I’ve seen with the panels removed if I remember correctly.

Wow… i have been searching high and low for a photo like this. Still hard to tell whether panel 1 is present in this pic. I think i’ll leave it on for now… thnx!

[JeroenPeters]

I could remove panel 1 (I figured out this panel IS removed in the above photo), but then I need to draw the parts encircled in this photo. One sits on top of the carburator? And the other is the oil tank?

 

[GunnarO]

Here you can see the coolant tank. The oil tank is located behind the wing spar and not visible with panel 1 removed. (Except from inside the undercarriage well)

[JeroenPeters]

More work done on the wings. Both panels 1 removed. Also removing the inner spar towards the oil coolers. I’ll make my own that is open at the front:

i’m guessing this needs to be removed too:

 

 

[JeroenPeters]

10 minutes ago, GunnarO said:

Here you can see the coolant tank. The oil tank is located behind the wing spar and not visible with panel 1 removed. (Except from inside the undercarriage well)

I’m having trouble trying to see what is what in this photo but i can make out several parts. The oil header tank i’ll make. If i can find a bit more info on it. Thanks!!

 

[JeroenPeters]

Also recieved a new cockpit set from Kitsworld today. The flaws are exactly the same as on the first set. It may be the same on the whole production run. Some seperation from bezels, blobs and deformations. 
 

[GunnarO]

Another one.

[PanzerWomble]

20 hours ago, JeroenPeters said:

Also recieved a new cockpit set from Kitsworld today. The flaws are exactly the same as on the first set. It may be the same on the whole production run. Some seperation from bezels, blobs and deformations. 
 

That's not great quality control at work 🤨. you'd have thought they would have checked before sending ? Not expensive but not cheap either 

[JeroenPeters]

I am getting a bit frustrated with Kitsworld to be honest. They sent me a replacement set. Only thing is: this set has the exact same flaws as the one I complained about. After bringing this to their attention. Again. I receive and email with lots of exclamation marks saying i did not read their mail properly. Apparently blistering is normal and should disappear after applying. When i replied that even the bezels are torn of the panel and completely deformed i get a simple;

just return the set to the retailer and we will reimburse. 
 

It’s not about the money for me. I just want a proper set. I asked them why they would replace my first set with a set that is equally flawed. But no reply to that question.

Just went to the range to focus on something else.

 

 

[JeroenPeters]

Another question for Gunnar!

Is it correct the the whole inside of the wing in the oil cooler area was interior green as per instructions? 
 

 

[GunnarO]

1 hour ago, JeroenPeters said:

Another question for Gunnar!

Is it correct the the whole inside of the wing in the oil cooler area was interior green as per instructions? 
 

 

No, the instructions are wrong. All interior in the radiator/oil cooler area is painted silver. Most likely the interior of the nacelle too. The silver paint is still present on the wreckage parts. 

[JeroenPeters]

4 minutes ago, GunnarO said:

No, the instructions are wrong. All interior in the radiator/oil cooler area is painted silver. Most likely the interior of the nacelle too. The silver paint is still present on the wreckage parts. 

Thnx!

I had a suspicion looking at some photo’s.

The frame holding the guns. Was that painted silver too? And the engine bearers? Looking at photos i cant believe they were interior green.

[GunnarO]

44 minutes ago, JeroenPeters said:

Thnx!

I had a suspicion looking at some photo’s.

The frame holding the guns. Was that painted silver too? And the engine bearers? Looking at photos i cant believe they were interior green.

Interior green (and black) was used in the cockpit, other areas was painted silver. We can confirm this was the case in the wings and rear part of the nacelle. Engine bearers are painted silver. No other parts have been found, so can’t confirm just yet. 

[Bogus]

Great thread!

Special Hobby's colour callouts are questionable in a number of areas - black tailplane underside, red Pyrene extinguisher etc., but the model itself is one of their best.

I hadn't realised Westlands used silver as a protective finish, so I've learned yet more new things from following this thread. 

I had the pleasure of spending time in the Westlands archives many years ago when I was an Engineer there, but I'd moved to pastures new by the time Steve Vizard brought in some of his collection.

@GunnarO we conversed a while ago, and I think I managed to increase your drawing collection by one up-issue!

keep up the great work guys 👍

Andy