Peterpools Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Ernie Nice paint work for sure and the pic Mike posted shows the hard edges off to a tee. The brown is different shade and hue on the P-40, just depends on where you look. Yup, I had the same gap/seam and took a while to clean it up. I'm pretty sure the firewall has a lip on the outside face and that's a good part of the reason for the gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted February 18, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted February 18, 2023 Well, after posting my build on Peter’s thread (duhhh), I fixed it. 🤣 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Ernie Cammo work looks awesome and I do like what you have done with the colors; going to be a great base for some well weathered. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted February 19, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2023 Licking and sticking on the stickers now. 🤣 I’m using the Eagle Editions set for 3rd Pursuit Squadron. 3rd Pursuit seems to be the most famous of the three Squadrons, if for no other reason than it’s definitely the most colorful. I’m doing Chuck Older’s White 68 off the Eagle sheet, which contains enough decals to model 4 aircraft from one sheet. These Eagle sheets are a great value in that respect, and are extremely accurate as well, having been extensively researched by Jerry Crandall. The sheet even includes the RAF roundel overlaid by the Chinese roundels, as seen on several AVG kites. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Ernie It's 1:30 in the morning - us old guys should be grabbing a few hours of sleep. Decal work look excellent. I'm not sure but the upper wing Chinese roundels still looks a bit small to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Very nice work, Ernie. As much as I mask... I still prefer a good decal. So much less work and, face it... they usually look the part. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted February 19, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2023 I had the great debate re: upper wing roundels as well, and simply decided to place my faith in Jerry Crandall. Of course I used the faded option, and they’ll be faded even more, today. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted February 19, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2023 Hey Peter, dang, we have so little to work on! LOL. I did a quick search online, as well as checking your build, and everyone seems different. As we say in Texas “Ah’m a scratchin’ my hay-ed over thee-yis here conundrum”. So here is yours, mine, and that restoration you documented 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted February 19, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2023 I tried to follow the placement diagram on Eagle’s sheet, but everyone knows that Jerry was a Luftwaffe guru, and this certainly ain’t Luftwaffe. And then there are these pics that I just found, which may mean we’re ALL wrong. Those of course, are the real deal, and those certainly seem bigger than any of ours. Was there an absolute standard? We’re they painted on using a standard issue mask, I ain’t got no clue. Thoughts? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted February 19, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2023 This is too much head exercise for this early in the morning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted February 19, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2023 And Peter, the more I look at it, the more your build looks amazing to me. Just a GREAT job! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted February 19, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2023 And I’m thinking the red fuselage band may be too dark as well. Of course, that’s an easy remark and respray, but still… dangit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted February 19, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2023 I’m not a P-40 expert, but check that bottom picture. The ailerons are deflected, yet the elevators are neutral. So the stick is loose, not secured back with the lap belt or left to flop forward. Is there a control lock on a P-40? Or is there a bobweight or spring that returns the elevators to neutral? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Hi Ernie Yup, the hues and tones of the colors are all over the place and it seems the more we dig into the entire issue, the more confusing the mess gets. I seem to remember that on my search list there was a certain amount of input from Dana Bell based on his research but at this stage who knows any more. I'm really starting to think the variation in color is how quickly the paint reacted to and faded from the environment. Photos do show that the P-40's colors over time looked more even in contrast but that also could be from the film of the day as color film just wasn't very accurate and the colors faded and changed so quickly especially one exposed to light. B&W prints, even worse for color interpretation. Your P-40 looks so good, I consider your detective work on the colors to be "Rather Good" as Sherlock Holmes would have said to Dr. Watson. In my IPMS competition days, this is the major reason color interpretation was never allowed to be entered into the judge's decision. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Ernie Yup, way too much brain exercise for an early Sunday morning. The more pics the better. One thing the last few images do show is the kits, the Chinese roundels are too small. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted February 19, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2023 24 minutes ago, Peterpools said: Ernie Yup, way too much brain exercise for an early Sunday morning. The more pics the better. One thing the last few images do show is the kits, the Chinese roundels are too small. Exactly. I think we all, including the restoration experts, got it all wrong. The pictures of the originals show very large roundels. Also note that they are all early Tomahawks, not replacement P-40E’s. That bottom pic of that very slightly used Tomahawk leaves absolutely no doubt. It’s almost a straight-on picture, with no oblique angles whatsoever 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted February 19, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2023 And along with that, despite me lighting the color mixes greatly, I may yet be waaaay too dark, still. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlrwestSiR Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Ernie, I have a set of Cutting Edge AVG decals. I'll see what size the roundels are in that set and let you know. Seeing your recent pics, they do look a bit small. Carl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Ernie Nope, color interpretation is personal and unless we have the actual color chips, which there aren't any, who is actually able to say which is right and which isn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted February 19, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2023 2 hours ago, BlrwestSiR said: Ernie, I have a set of Cutting Edge AVG decals. I'll see what size the roundels are in that set and let you know. Seeing your recent pics, they do look a bit small. Carl I’m anxious to see, because both GWH and EagleCals got it wrong. I’m quite honestly thinking of ripping them off and making some masks in the correct size. my concern is that since they’re already settled in with multiple applications of Micro Sol, it may be too late. Even the US Military got it wrong! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlrwestSiR Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Here's what I have. The CE sheet: Note the size on the artwork. Both top and bottom are the same size. Compared to the kit decals: I also have the Montex set for the Trumpeter kit. Comparing the masks, the uppers are slightly larger than the CE ones, and the lowers are slightly smaller. I didn't bother with pics as you can't really make out the dimensions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted February 19, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2023 Hey Carl, actually, Montex looks closer to me… CE is the same as all the others. Maybe it’s telling us to leave well enough alone? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted February 19, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2023 Montex appears to have nailed it, although I question their use of the Angel figure on the port side only. Eagle has you do it on both sides. Also, Montex shows some VERY dark blues being used. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted February 19, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2023 Well, the Montex masks are unavailable. Life goes on… 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlrwestSiR Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 21 minutes ago, Clunkmeister said: Well, the Montex masks are unavailable. Life goes on… Hannants has them in stock. Two different sets. https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MXK32002?result-token=9lYq3 https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MXK32254?result-token=9lYq3 They also have a Kits world decal sheet. https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/KW132030?result-token=9lYq3 A final option might be a Ventura decal sheet for a P-40N in AVG markings. It gives you the Nationalist stars but only in the dark blue and not the lighter faded blue. https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/VA3283?result-token=9lYq3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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