woody37 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Them spars should take the strain! Nice rescribing too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share Posted January 18, 2016 Thanks Neil, Well HK Models really made sure the wings stay in the right place. The fit is fantastic and firm. No problems about that. Especially after I had to take it apart without breaking anything. Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share Posted January 18, 2016 Well I took one step forward this evening and one step back. Result: zero, zilch, nada, noppes. But I have learned a few things: -make sure you mark the correct position of the window on the lower panelline not the upper one doh! -it is possible to open op the windows accurarely -it is possible to plug in the hole with a suitable piece of plasticcard or clear plastic and sand it completely smooth -it is better to fit the glazing portions and sand them smooth before painting. Masking is better Well, it was a useful evening without any practical progress, but fun altogether. And I learned something too. Nobody said modelling was easy. Cheers Cees 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 19, 2016 Author Share Posted January 19, 2016 Some more opening tales, positive ones this time. Spent an hour or so to open up the side windows, it went very well using a template all windows are reasonable uniform. I really hope HK Models will provide the windows as cutting out all of them is not easy. Cheers Cees 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GusMac Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Nicely done Cees, they look very consistent. I still can't quite believe what you're doing to this. Kudos, Gus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Neither can I Gus, Just think about a problem, start on it, make mistakes, eradicate them, start anew, etc etc. This evening another window opening session. 7 windows in an hour is reasonable. Some 14 still to go. As this subject is very much to my liking, tediousness is not an issue. But fun altogether. Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 The port side is done, very pleased, have started on the starboard side already. Cheers Cees 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GusMac Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Just a query Cees. Why did they have so many windows in the sides of a night bomber? Wouldn't have thought sightseeing was high on the priority list! Gus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazypoet Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Just a query Cees. Why did they have so many windows in the sides of a night bomber? Wouldn't have thought sightseeing was high on the priority list! Gus Odd - I was just asking myself that exact question! Can anyone (ahem) shed any light on the subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody37 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 It's nearly finished now Cees Cracking job on those windows, really need to see this in the flesh when its done 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 Thanks chaps, IIRC one of the requirements for the Manchester was troop carrying. Having windows to look out of would have been comforting. Neil, I will bring it over to Telford this year again (albeit in a bit different composition compared to the previous show) Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GusMac Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Thanks Cees, that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 Actually The specification to which the Manchester and Halifax were designed called for a whole wishlist of tasks. The Air Ministry could not make up their minds what tasks the aircraft were to perform, so they wanted them all in one design. Including catapult assisted take-off. This caused some problems for the designers (and yes the Manchester and Halifax are to be compared, not the Lancaster and the Halifax). The Lancaster windows were generally deleted in 1943-ish. Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozart Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Sterling work there Cees (not Stirling!!!!!......wouldn't one of those be magnificent in 1/32nd!?). I'm glad you've said 1943ish for when the Lancaster windows "disappeared", I've talked to Harry Holmes about this issue but not even he can pin down an exact date, drawing or spec for it. Max 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 True Max, I have seen Lancs with windows built after 1943. So pure speculation here. Windows were also overpainted. So I really hope HKM will include them. Beter to fill or paint them over other than cutting them all out (speaking from experience). Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 23, 2016 Author Share Posted January 23, 2016 All windows have been succesfully cut out, Next cleaning up, painting the inside of the fuselage black ( nice idea I nicked from Tom Probert) and then start fitting the windows. another tedious job but it has to be done. Ceed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 Aeroplanes were well made and flush riveted...... Yeah right! Lancaster (applicable to manchester as well, source Flickr) Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 Indeed, don't tell HK Models by the way It also looks like the fuselage is sagging a bit because of the weight. Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 I'm not that good George! Been dabbling with the windows, this went surprisingly well. I made them roughly to the correct size and fine tune them later. Port side is done. Starboard side started already. Clear plastic was provided by an old cd-case. Tape prevents the windows from falling out. Cheers Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 Band Aid, don't tell Midge Ure though. When all windows are fitted and sanded flush I must re-engrave most of the fuselage panel lines by the look of it.Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share Posted January 27, 2016 Update Gathering information for the Vulture engine nacelles. After filing and fitting 24 small windows I felt the need for a change. The horizontal stabilizers needed endplates fitted on which the fins will later be mounted. So some laminates of plasticard were roughly shaped to be later sanded to an aerofoil. Cheers Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 Funny you say that George, I do have some Merlin engine sprues in the sparesbox that can be used to build an engine. But that will be a lot of work and I don't like models with gaping wounds. So not for me. But Jeroen has offered to provide his 3d-skills to draw the nacelle and have them printed. The basic shape is quite simple so should be doable. Props will be a problem (as on the 1/48 version) as they have a larger diameter than the then current comparable De Havilland props used on the Hampden, Blenheim, Wellington etc. But we will cross that bridge when I come to it. By the way, over the years more Vultures have been found, I noticed that the RAF Museum have three in a similar conditon. Who knows, perhaps somebody will want to reconstruct a full size Manchester, but will have to butcher a real Lancaster in the process. Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators JeroenPeters Posted January 28, 2016 Administrators Share Posted January 28, 2016 Funny you say that George, I do have some Merlin engine sprues in the sparesbox that can be used to build an engine. But that will be a lot of work and I don't like models with gaping wounds. So not for me. But Jeroen has offered to provide his 3d-skills to draw the nacelle and have them printed. The basic shape is quite simple so should be doable. Props will be a problem (as on the 1/48 version) as they have a larger diameter than the then current comparable De Havilland props used on the Hampden, Blenheim, Wellington etc. But we will cross that bridge when I come to it. By the way, over the years more Vultures have been found, I noticed that the RAF Museum have three in a similar conditon. Who knows, perhaps somebody will want to reconstruct a full size Manchester, but will have to butcher a real Lancaster in the process. Cees Again... This is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 Let's call Jeroen: Trueman. Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 Hehe, Was sanding the endplates on the stabilizers yesterday, the port one went very well, the starboard one managed to crash itself onto the floor. The newly glued piece broke off (a clean break fortunately) so had to glue the bits together again. What's on this evening? Sanding, yet more sanding. But getting there bit by bit. Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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