Administrators JeroenPeters Posted March 5, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted March 5, 2017 On a roll now!! After the washes I'll add a satin coat followed by pencil weathering with light green, white and silver. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators James H Posted March 5, 2017 Administrators Share Posted March 5, 2017 Pretty darn amazing. I like the layering of stuff here. When you finish, will you restore it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators JeroenPeters Posted March 5, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted March 5, 2017 Just now, James H said: Pretty darn amazing. I like the layering of stuff here. When you finish, will you restore it? I should, shouldn't I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DannyVM Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 I like that paint work Jeroen, i really am. Greetz Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levier Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Really excellent rendition of the subject. Great work on the tail, and the interim repair work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators JeroenPeters Posted March 5, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted March 5, 2017 1 hour ago, levier said: Really excellent rendition of the subject. Great work on the tail, and the interim repair work. Cheers! Your photo's really help a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolboxx Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Great job, coming on brilliantly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators JeroenPeters Posted March 6, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted March 6, 2017 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Tjeezz what sloppy paintwork, make up your mind man! Just kiiiiiiidding, great work, I like the red painted area on the tail. Looks very much having been in storage and abused for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levier Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Jeroen, It just occured to me I have pics of the partially restored stab and elev. Will post shortly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators JeroenPeters Posted March 6, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted March 6, 2017 1 hour ago, levier said: Jeroen, It just occured to me I have pics of the partially restored stab and elev. Will post shortly Cool! (even though I don't think I'll add them to the build. Neither will i include the spinner and prop... I hope Rick can send me some intel on the upper wing surfaces. Long shot, but... do you by any chance got a chance to shoot those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levier Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Jeroen, I would have to agree... the stab and elevator would be a major undertaking, as can see in the following pics. You never know though, you could get motivated someday. You have the technique to replicate the wood (seen it!) just lots of scratch work involved. As an aside, one of the things you and Jim have done here with the site upgrade (I think) that is a big improvement is image storage. Not having to find a third party to upload to and link really helps, and provides long term image stability on site. Forget about the colors here... these were shot under green shop lighting, with daylight film, and a strobe with a gold insert... crazy mix. The structures and repair is of interest. I think the red stuff is used in original construction and by shop foreman Rich Horigan in the repair work. It is likely a high build primer. Also of note, the stab leading edge is a composite of pressed cellulose products, the elevator torque tube is a laminate of wood, with a riveted aluminum flange. These were taken in June 1992 on my first visit at Garber, trying to establish some credibility with them for a book I eventually published on the topic. The airframe pics were about ten years later! Sorry, I have nothing of the wings. they were in storage, and inaccessible at the time I was there. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators JeroenPeters Posted March 6, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted March 6, 2017 3 hours ago, levier said: Jeroen, I would have to agree... the stab and elevator would be a major undertaking, as can see in the following pics. You never know though, you could get motivated someday. You have the technique to replicate the wood (seen it!) just lots of scratch work involved. As an aside, one of the things you and Jim have done here with the site upgrade (I think) that is a big improvement is image storage. Not having to find a third party to upload to and link really helps, and provides long term image stability on site. Forget about the colors here... these were shot under green shop lighting, with daylight film, and a strobe with a gold insert... crazy mix. The structures and repair is of interest. I think the red stuff is used in original construction and by shop foreman Rich Horigan in the repair work. It is likely a high build primer. Also of note, the stab leading edge is a composite of pressed cellulose products, the elevator torque tube is a laminate of wood, with a riveted aluminum flange. These were taken in June 1992 on my first visit at Garber, trying to establish some credibility with them for a book I eventually published on the topic. The airframe pics were about ten years later! Sorry, I have nothing of the wings. they were in storage, and inaccessible at the time I was there. Cheers! Wow... Thanks a million... For the pics and the compliment about the site. It took some elbow grease but it was worth it! New features keep surprising me on a daily basis. I really hope Rick can shed some light on the wings this week. Thanks again. Here's a pic of some detail work taken directly from one of your shots! (Needs some washes etc to blend the wiring in). 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levier Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Ausgeseichnet! (Hope I spelled that right) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Fantastic work Jeroen, very convincing. The Art of deconstruction. @levier: Close but no cookies, Ausgezeichnet would have been right 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 The artist formerly known as J. Peters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators JeroenPeters Posted March 9, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted March 9, 2017 So! On with the wings. Rick was a great pal and headed over to the NASM to see what he could do for me. As you may know: I was struggling to find intel on the upper side of the wings in current state. Asked everyone. Including Jerry Crandall and Radu Brinzan. Seems little to no photo's were ever taken of them. Rick came far but couldn't get to the wings or find photo's in the NASM library. Asked people that are involved in the restoration, but alas... The only photo he could find turned out to be in the SWS Concept Notes. One Zoukei Mura minion climbed up a ladder and managed to squeeze one of! Sadly the wings are covered in dust: so bad you can't even see markings or camo. I'm trying to go for the really faded look and.. well.. here's a peek of where I'm at. Much more layers to follow. I did find one small B/W photo that shows the top wing balkenkreuz is the black and white kind. That helps.. Thanks Rick!! The Concept Note pic: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolboxx Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 10 out of 10 for effort getting to find this out guys... She's looking great JP very inspiring work, can't wait to see the layers going down. I have to ask, will you do it restored.... as a side by side display From this to this type of thing.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spliffsecond Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 If my paintjob turns out 1/3 as good i'll be a very happy camper. Just marvelous.... grtz free 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators James H Posted March 9, 2017 Administrators Share Posted March 9, 2017 So not as many repaints and screw-ups with various emblems on wing as on fuselage? Looking real nice. Love the aged effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timvkampen Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 very impressive! Isn't it an idea to request a visit at the Udvar-Házy museum on behalf of the largescalemodeller community? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators JeroenPeters Posted March 9, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, timvkampen said: very impressive! Isn't it an idea to request a visit at the Udvar-Házy museum on behalf of the largescalemodeller community? Our very own Rick is volunteer there and went the extra mile by requesting a view behind the scenes. I'd love to go there one day... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levier Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Good news on that image! I don't think most of the people who work at NASM restoration shop have ever seen the top of those wings. Some who are long retired... maybe. What that image does show is the preservative oil leaking through the skin panel joints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators JeroenPeters Posted March 9, 2017 Author Administrators Share Posted March 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, levier said: Good news on that image! I don't think most of the people who work at NASM restoration shop have ever seen the top of those wings. Some who are long retired... maybe. What that image does show is the preservative oil leaking through the skin panel joints. Exactly! Working on that now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levier Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 you read my mind... nice! I did a bit of research in some documents I received from the curatorial staff. During the initial repair work on the tail in 1992, it was discovered that the Wright Field engineering had made some structural "enhancements" to the wooden tail unit. Apparently they believed the structure was compromised, and they attempted to bolster it with steel plates internally, (which resulted in moving the horizontal stab several inches forward.) The steel plates were removed and the tail restored to its original configuration during the restoration/ repair by NASM. This would explain why you see the patch work of lighter paint on the fuselage around the stab. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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