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I hate to say this, but the Marseille Bf 109F-4 10137 has a couple of small errors. Understand it is a gorgeous model. I especially love how the "sit" is right. A lot of people get it to high or too low. The finish is terrific, even caught the staining on the fuel fill  point under the cockpit.

 

But, 2 errors:

 

First, this F-4 did not have the rear fuselage reinforcing strips. That was only used early in the production of the F-4.

 

Second, the lower rear rudder edge had a patch of red primer just above the white tail light. This was evidentally a repair to the rudder and it varied ever so slighly from early to mid-June, 1942. The photo accompanying the "build" section and the profile shown, do show this repair. Also, photographically, the evolution of this repair patch is documented.

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Thank you for your insight John,

 

Given that you "wrote the book" on this subject, hopefully this information will be taken in a positive light, and can benefit all who might choose to model this subject in the future.

 

Steve.

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Hi John,

 

Thanks for pointing out the Red Primer Spot. This is something I was aware of after I posted my photo's... I totally missed it in my haste to actually finishing my first model in the last 6 months. It's been painted on and I just need to update the photos posted.

 

With the Fuselage Stiffening strips, using the latest up todate publication on Marseille's aircraft, according to page 49 of Air Powers book on Hans-Joachim Marseille by James H. Kitchens, III and John R. Beaman, Jr. (Yourself?).... To quote point 3 "External stiffening strips across fuselage-empennage joint at station 9 were present." Even the profile art shows the stiffeners in place. Surely if you think this information is incorrect why would you publish it in your book?

 

Cheers

 

Dave

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Hi John,

 

Thanks for pointing out the Red Primer Spot. This is something I was aware of after I posted my photo's... I totally missed it in my haste to actually finishing my first model in the last 6 months. It's been painted on and I just need to update the photos posted.

 

With the Fuselage Stiffening strips, using the latest up todate publication on Marseille's aircraft, according to page 49 of Air Powers book on Hans-Joachim Marseille by James H. Kitchens, III and John R. Beaman, Jr. (Yourself?).... To quote point 3 "External stiffening strips across fuselage-empennage joint at station 9 were present." Even the profile art shows the stiffeners in place. Surely if you think this information is incorrect why would you publish it in your book?

 

Cheers

 

Dave

 

 

You know, Dave, you are correct. Sometimes I amaze even myself with my stupidness. Sorry. They were there! I think I've looked at too many 109s!

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Welcome John

 

Very good to have you here

 

Dave's 109 is indeed beautiful, and from a research perspective, I always find discussions like this both interesting and productive

 

Whilst as a modeller I would rather know before the model is complete, I would rather know full stop, so "it's all good" as they say

 

By the same token, it is also the modeller's responsibility to do the research (assuming he is thus motivated)

 

Sometimes you just miss stuff - God knows I do that often enough!!

 

All the best

 

Nick

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Short answer:

Is is possible to look at too many 109's? B)

No.

 

Long answer: Just spent, on an off, the last 3 hours trying to find evidence of any F-4 from the 10001-10290 Erla production batch with the external stiffeners fitted. Still looking...

 

S

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very interesting data.  until my skill-sets improve a ten-fold my builds will follow the FICE Doctrine.

 

but being a technichal geek that I am its always nice to see authorative exchange on a given topic.  bottom line is, I learned something...so it was worth my while to wake up this morning.

 

I truly value and am always open to anyones expertise.  I learned a long time ago to surround myself with people smarter than me.  this is why I am here.

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