Wingco57 Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 Pic of the frankenvators Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkranias Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 a little late to this party. wow, great scratch stuff going on here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Still working on the elevators, this time the hinges which are a bit difficult as they are all different in height. The elevators were fabric covered and I intend to use strips of Tamiya tape to represent these. Perhaps there are other possibilities too? Also tried to experiment with rivetting on the stabilizers but failed to get a straight line, even when using a plastic ruler. How do you guys do it? Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 Come on, somebody must know! Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wouter Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Hi Cees, another way to represent the fabric is cutting small masks from Tamiya tape for the parts where no ribbing is supposed to be. The lower parts if you will. Place those masks and you are left with the ribbing parts uncovered. Now spray or paint some Mr. surfacer 500 where the ribs are. Build op in several layers. After drying remove the tape and blend the ribbing with some careful sanding. When done right, it should be more to scale then using actual tape. About the rivetting, i'm certainly not an expert and have failed many times. But what works for me is taping a piece of dymo tape on the model and use that as a guide. Cheers, Wouter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 Thanks Wouter, Very useful information. I will try the Mr Surfacer technique. By coincidence I saw the recent issue of Air Modeller which had a magnificent 1/48 scratchbuilt Stirling by Tsonos Megas. The fabric flying surfaces were also done by this technique and it looked very authentic. Think the rivetteing routine will not be my cup of tea as the majority of the ex-Lancaster parts have been firmly glued together and there is almost no flat surface to work on apart from the horizontal tail. And I failed miserably on those. CheersCees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators JeroenPeters Posted February 24, 2016 Administrators Share Posted February 24, 2016 Hi Cees, another way to represent the fabric is cutting small masks from Tamiya tape for the parts where no ribbing is supposed to be. The lower parts if you will. Place those masks and you are left with the ribbing parts uncovered. Now spray or paint some Mr. surfacer 500 where the ribs are. Build op in several layers. After drying remove the tape and blend the ribbing with some careful sanding. When done right, it should be more to scale then using actual tape. About the rivetting, i'm certainly not an expert and have failed many times. But what works for me is taping a piece of dymo tape on the model and use that as a guide. Cheers, Wouter What he said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GusMac Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Hi Cees, I'd agree with Wouter. I've only tried the rivetting a couple of times but the Dymo tape worked for me - not having a proper wheel or anything, being able to measure and mark the spacings on the tape with a pen was also a big help. Think you've put more effort into the tail of this beast than I have into some entire kits ! Certainly worth it though. Gus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 Thanks Gus, That was not the intended thing to do but when Robert Kirby, a noted Manchester author, mentioned that the tailsplane span was the same as the Lanc's I had to undo my previous work. Spent yesterday putting a coat of Mr Surfacer on the fins and elevators and it is a subtle difference. Pics soon as I do not want to show the same pics every time with just a small bit of work done.Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 Ok, on to some pics. As I was about fed up with fumbling those elevators and fins I yearned for some nice conversion work. I decided to convert the starboard outer wing into the Manchester's more tapered and lesser span. Measuring from the drawing I marked out the cutting lines and started....well you know,.........hacking and sawing. The pics show the extent of the carnage. But it was succesful. After further cleaning up and glueing together the end needs to be trued and bevelled to the correct dihedral and the outer end cut to lenght. The Lancaster wingtips will then be reattached. I have done it before in 1/48 so it should work....I hope. Cheers Cees 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators JeroenPeters Posted February 26, 2016 Administrators Share Posted February 26, 2016 Damn! Thats more work than just chopping of a few inches from the top! How cool to see a Manchester conversion set when the Lanc hits the shelves? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wingco57 Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 Hmm yes, I seem to saw my models together. Must be a trauma causing this LOL. Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted February 27, 2016 Author Share Posted February 27, 2016 Phweww, just in time before someone posted a reply...... Got back from a very enjoyable day in Antwerp with my usual chauffer Jeroen. Flanders Contest. When I came home I had the urge to do some modelling and the port wing has been sectioned as well. Glueing the bits together is on the agenda tomorrow. Pics to follow. Don't you dare to post a reply in the meantime LOL. Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 Dang,too late again Cees 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody37 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Those wings are beginning to take shape Cees. I can't find this thread from the home page, the section has disappeared. Am I going blind or is the HK competition area hidden? I managed to find it by searching for Manchester. Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GusMac Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Hi Woody, check you haven't hit the 'minimise' icon at the top right of the section which shuts the section and leaves the title text faintly visible. I only know that as I must have done it by accident and lost the WNW section. Gus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 Neil, It would not be a good idea to hide a public competition As you say the wings are taking shape, a lot to do. I do not want to have them come apart so really smothered the insides with glue. Including the inside of the seams to make sure. The most difficult bit is to true the part that attaches to the centre section, and these have to be uniform otherwise the dihedral will be off. We'll see how this works out. When that is done I can cut the outer ends to length and attach the wingtips. Slowly but surely the general airframe takes shape. Already thinking about those engine nacelles. Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 Ok another mammoth sanding session by Sander Schuurmans. The thickness is different between the tip and the butting section of the wing itself. 2mm on both sides. Luckily I had a small handplane which really made (a mess too) the job much easier. The Lanc prototype has thick wing tips which really need to be thinned. Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators JeroenPeters Posted March 1, 2016 Administrators Share Posted March 1, 2016 I'm still amazed you're 'allowed' to do this stuff in the living room! Things sure are taking shape... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 Luckily the plastic is quite thick to allow some hefty sanding. You can't tell it's 3D printed, you can do anything as with a regular plastic model. As soon as I have finished the session it is vacuum cleaning time. Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 I doubt it. My trusty old saw would have made korte metten with it very quickly. Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GusMac Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Hope you didn't sneeze just after you took that last photo, Cees! That is an impressive pile of shavings. Can't imagine taking a plane to a model and ending up with such a neat result. Gus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 Yes,and you may call me Sneezy if you like. Spenter yesterday another two hours sanding the wingtips to get a nice transition from the root to the tip. It is now finished and the cutting out of the landing light apertures can begin. Then next the port wing (sigh!). But getting there. Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 Drying time for both wings. One more advanced than the other. But very pleased with progress anyway. Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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