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JeroenPeters

Ta-152H-0 awaiting restoration at the NASM

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Just now, James H said:

Pretty darn amazing. I like the layering of stuff here.

When you finish, will you restore it?

I should, shouldn't I? :)

 

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1 hour ago, levier said:

Really excellent rendition of the subject.  Great work on the tail, and the interim repair work.

Cheers! Your photo's really help a lot!

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Tjeezz what sloppy paintwork, make up your mind man!^_^

Just kiiiiiiidding, great work, I like the red painted area on the tail. Looks very much having been in storage

and abused for ages.

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1 hour ago, levier said:

Jeroen,

It just occured to me I have pics of the partially restored stab and elev. Will post shortly

Cool! (even though I don't think I'll add them to the build. 

Neither will i include the spinner and prop...

 

I hope Rick can send me some intel on the upper wing surfaces.

Long shot, but... do you by any chance got a chance to shoot those?

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Jeroen,

I would have to agree... the stab and elevator would be a major undertaking, as can see in the following pics.  You never know though, you could get motivated someday.  You have the technique to replicate the wood (seen it!)  just lots of scratch work involved.

As an aside, one of the things you and Jim have done here with the site upgrade (I think) that is a big improvement is image storage.  Not having to find a third party to upload to and link really helps, and provides long term image stability on site.

Forget about the colors here... these were shot under green shop lighting, with daylight film, and a strobe with a gold insert... crazy mix.  The structures and repair is of interest.  I think the red stuff is used in original construction and by shop foreman Rich Horigan in the repair work.  It is likely a high build primer.  Also of note, the stab leading edge is a composite of pressed cellulose products, the elevator torque tube is a laminate of wood, with a riveted aluminum flange.  These were taken in June 1992 on my first visit at Garber, trying to establish some credibility with them for a book I eventually published on the topic.  The airframe pics were about ten years later!  Sorry, I have nothing of the wings.  they were in storage, and inaccessible at the time I was there.

Cheers!

 

 

Ta 152H stabilizer.jpg

Ta 152H elevator.jpg

Ta 152H elevator2.jpg

Ta 152H elevator torque tube.jpg

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3 hours ago, levier said:

Jeroen,

I would have to agree... the stab and elevator would be a major undertaking, as can see in the following pics.  You never know though, you could get motivated someday.  You have the technique to replicate the wood (seen it!)  just lots of scratch work involved.

As an aside, one of the things you and Jim have done here with the site upgrade (I think) that is a big improvement is image storage.  Not having to find a third party to upload to and link really helps, and provides long term image stability on site.

Forget about the colors here... these were shot under green shop lighting, with daylight film, and a strobe with a gold insert... crazy mix.  The structures and repair is of interest.  I think the red stuff is used in original construction and by shop foreman Rich Horigan in the repair work.  It is likely a high build primer.  Also of note, the stab leading edge is a composite of pressed cellulose products, the elevator torque tube is a laminate of wood, with a riveted aluminum flange.  These were taken in June 1992 on my first visit at Garber, trying to establish some credibility with them for a book I eventually published on the topic.  The airframe pics were about ten years later!  Sorry, I have nothing of the wings.  they were in storage, and inaccessible at the time I was there.

Cheers!

Wow... Thanks a million... 

For the pics and the compliment about the site. It took some elbow grease but it was worth it!

New features keep surprising me on a daily basis.

 

I really hope Rick can shed some light on the wings this week. Thanks again.

Here's a pic of some detail work taken directly from one of your shots! (Needs some washes etc to blend the wiring in).

 

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Fantastic work Jeroen, very convincing. The Art of deconstruction.

@levier: Close but no cookies, Ausgezeichnet would have been right :D

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So! On with the wings.

Rick was a great pal and headed over to the NASM to see what he could do for me.

As you may know: I was struggling to find intel on the upper side of the wings in current state.

Asked everyone. Including Jerry Crandall and Radu Brinzan.

 

Seems little to no photo's were ever taken of them.

Rick came far but couldn't get to the wings or find photo's in the NASM library.

Asked people that are involved in the restoration, but alas...

 

The only photo he could find turned out to be in the SWS Concept Notes.

One Zoukei Mura minion climbed up a ladder and managed to squeeze one of!

Sadly the wings are covered in dust: so bad you can't even see markings or camo.

 

I'm trying to go for the really faded look and.. well.. here's a peek of where I'm at. Much more layers to follow.

I did find one small B/W photo that shows the top wing balkenkreuz is the black and white kind. That helps..

 

Thanks Rick!!

 

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The Concept Note pic:

 

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10 out of 10 for effort getting to find this out guys... She's looking great JP very inspiring work, can't wait to see the layers going down. 

I have to ask, will you do it restored....  as a side by side display 

From this to this type of thing.. 

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So not as many repaints and screw-ups with various emblems on wing as on fuselage? Looking real nice. Love the aged effect.

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very impressive! Isn't it an idea to request a visit at the Udvar-Házy museum on behalf of the largescalemodeller community?

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1 hour ago, timvkampen said:

very impressive! Isn't it an idea to request a visit at the Udvar-Házy museum on behalf of the largescalemodeller community?

Our very own Rick is volunteer there and went the extra mile by requesting a view behind the scenes.

 

I'd love to go there one day...

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Good news on that image!  I don't think most of the people who work at NASM restoration shop have ever seen the top of those wings.  Some who are long retired... maybe.

What that image does show is the preservative oil leaking through the skin panel joints. 

 

ta 152 H0.jpg

ta 152H0aft.jpg

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8 minutes ago, levier said:

Good news on that image!  I don't think most of the people who work at NASM restoration shop have ever seen the top of those wings.  Some who are long retired... maybe.

What that image does show is the preservative oil leaking through the skin panel joints. 

 

ta 152 H0.jpg

ta 152H0aft.jpg

Exactly! Working on that now

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you read my mind...  nice!  I did a bit of research in some documents I received from the curatorial staff.  During the initial repair work on the tail in 1992, it was discovered that the Wright Field engineering had made some structural "enhancements" to the wooden tail unit.  Apparently they believed the structure was compromised, and they attempted to bolster it with steel plates internally, (which resulted in moving the horizontal stab several inches forward.)  The steel plates were removed and the tail restored to its original configuration during the restoration/ repair by NASM.  This would explain why you see the patch work of lighter paint on the fuselage around the stab.

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