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[HubertB]

8 minutes ago, shark64 said:

Or maybe too many posts, folks might be getting tired of this build. 

No way  !

Hubert

[GusMac]

1 hour ago, HubertB said:

No way  !

Hubert

I'll back up Hubert, definitely not getting bored of this one.

[Kirk]

11 hours ago, shark64 said:

Or maybe too many posts, folks might be getting tired of this build. 

Not a chance. This is epic. 🙂

[DocRob]

I don´t know how you do it, but your project is looking bright and clean and used and worn at the same time, simply amazing. It´s not that often, that a modeler has a signature style of his own to show, congratulations.

Cheers Rob 

[Peterpools]

Oliver

Right with the guys ... keep the build moving ahead.

 

[Jbert27]

Don't think so... wonderful work and inspiring for us noobs.

[Kirk]

On 7/6/2024 at 12:10 PM, DocRob said:

I don´t know how you do it, but your project is looking bright and clean and used and worn at the same time, simply amazing. It´s not that often, that a modeler has a signature style of his own to show, congratulations.

Cheers Rob 

I think that it is the combination of flawless detail work (no signs of gaps/filler/sanding/adhesive - regardless of zoom - ever) and the highly shaded/highlighted painting style. As you say Rob, unique.

[Kirk]

What did I say?

[Jbert27]

keep it coming please!

[shark64]

Still here folks, just nothing to show.

 

[Kirk]

I'm willing to bet that even watching you make a small cup of tea would be an education.

PS/ Is there a Westland Lynx or an Aerospatiale Gazelle in your future?

[shark64]

4 hours ago, Kirk said:

I'm willing to bet that even watching you make a small cup of tea would be an education.

PS/ Is there a Westland Lynx or an Aerospatiale Gazelle in your future?

Hi

love to do a Gazelle in 1/32 but none are available other than working with the kinetic kit from the Blue Thunder version.

I am hoping to get the Westland Wasp/Scout in 1/32  in CAD from someone in the UK when it becomes available.

I am also looking at the CM 170 Fouga in 1/32 from Daco.

 

 

 

[HubertB]

2 hours ago, shark64 said:

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I am also looking at the CM 170 Fouga in 1/32 from Daco.

 

 

 

Mine (the « white box edition », one of the first 250 produced) is on its way. Can’ t wait 

Hubert

[shark64]

1 hour ago, HubertB said:

Mine (the « white box edition », one of the first 250 produced) is on its way. Can’ t wait 

Hubert

Wow, please post on here when you get it.

[Peterpools]

Seems the first 250 kits CM 170 Fouga in 1/32 from Daco are sold out and the way the website reads, the next batch is going to be a while. Yet on LSP, the owner said he needs to sell around 5000 kits worldwide to break even and yet it seems they are being produced in short runs. I'm a bit confused on the whole deal.

 

[PanzerWomble]

28 minutes ago, Peterpools said:

Seems the first 250 kits CM 170 Fouga in 1/32 from Daco are sold out and the way the website reads, the next batch is going to be a while. Yet on LSP, the owner said he needs to sell around 5000 kits worldwide to break even and yet it seems they are being produced in short runs. I'm a bit confused on the whole deal.

 

My guess - as iti is am IM kit , that the first run was on cheap alumium piloy tooling as a test, and it will take a while ( and 5000 impression) to make / justify proper tooling 

[Peterpools]

I saw photographs of the molds and they do look like the real deal.  Just doesn't make sense to produce kits in such small lots when so many are needed to break-even but having zero knowledge of the injected molded business, I just don't know.

 

[HubertB]

1 hour ago, Peterpools said:

Seems the first 250 kits CM 170 Fouga in 1/32 from Daco are sold out and the way the website reads, the next batch is going to be a while. Yet on LSP, the owner said he needs to sell around 5000 kits worldwide to break even and yet it seems they are being produced in short runs. I'm a bit confused on the whole deal.

 

Dany mentions in the mail he sent to the people that had registered a "pre-order" that he had pushed the production of a first limited batch to be able to deliver some for the 35th birthday of Daco products which was on Sept. 7th)

Which is why the lot is only 250 boxes, all white, and without decals sheets (which will be sent later).

The full lot, with boxes with artwork and decals, will take a bit more time, I guess. Read this operation not as a "strange business decision" but rather as an enthusiastic drive to get the kit to a few lucky guys asap. The kit has been 10 years in the making, driven by a single enthusiastic guy. I suspect he was eager to get it out, finally

I just received my box. I'll try to publish an in-box review later this week, but the summary is "WOW". For 125 €, you really get a lot for your money. It would be a shame that Dany does not reach his goal of selling at least 3000 (his break-even point), because, frankly, what you get is in the top league of kit releases in 1/32. I am sure the quality will drive sales, even for people who are more into WWII prop fighters.

Hubert.

PS: Sorry for the thread drift. Hopefully a dedicated thread will get things straight later.

[PanzerWomble]

52 minutes ago, Peterpools said:

I saw photographs of the molds and they do look like the real deal.  Just doesn't make sense to produce kits in such small lots when so many are needed to break-even but having zero knowledge of the injected molded business, I just don't know.

 

Typically you test markets and  fit/ packing trials etc with samples made from aluminium moulds which are much cheaper than proper steel ones.

My knowledge is 10 years ago , but pilot aluminium would be £6-10K and good for 2-3000 impressions before they wear out ...full production £80-90 K...make as many as you need......so if you need to change anything with the design that is a cheap way of finding out . Cutting aluminium obviously a lot easier than tool steel . The mould last less time  because they often have only basic cooling circuits.

 

Entirely speculation on my part but looking at the pix on Dacos website can't 100% say for sure , but looking at the 3rd pic down they look to have had had cooling issues with that run as the plastic is charred black . Either that or they got carried away with the mould release !

 

It's all single cavity as well which suggests test shots ...although , I'm not familiar with model kit production so that maybe normal practice on low volume machines ? 

 

Disclaimer All my knowledge comes from buying packaging in relatively high volumes , not model kits 

 

 

[PanzerWomble]

I kid you not ....

yes...... I did work for them as the global packaging buyer ...

yes ....there were in circulation 3 large 48 cavity moulds for this product....... each costing £300K back in 2001 ....and yes the packaging launch completely flopped....... pardon the pun . where are these moulds now , broken up in 2002. 

 

 

 

Ooops wil; stop here..... have really gone full thread drift, missed this was on a build thread - sorry ...

[Peterpools]

38 minutes ago, HubertB said:

Dany mentions in the mail he sent to the people that had registered a "pre-order" that he had pushed the production of a first limited batch to be able to deliver some for the 35th birthday of Daco products which was on Sept. 7th)

Which is why the lot is only 250 boxes, all white, and without decals sheets (which will be sent later).

The full lot, with boxes with artwork and decals, will take a bit more time, I guess. Read this operation not as a "strange business decision" but rather as an enthusiastic drive to get the kit to a few lucky guys asap. The kit has been 10 years in the making, driven by a single enthusiastic guy. I suspect he was eager to get it out, finally

I just received my box. I'll try to publish an in-box review later this week, but the summary is "WOW". For 125 €, you really get a lot for your money. It would be a shame that Dany does not reach his goal of selling at least 3000 (his break-even point), because, frankly, what you get is in the top league of kit releases in 1/32. I am sure the quality will drive sales, even for people who are more into WWII prop fighters.

Hubert.

PS: Sorry for the thread drift. Hopefully a dedicated thread will get things straight later.

Hubert

Thank you for clearing up all the bits and pieces of information I have been reading. Since I hadn't purchased/pre-ordered the kit, I would not have seen the note from Danny. Going to wait a bit and then after things settle down will place a pre-order from the second batch. What hasn't been discussed is if the kit will be available from distribution/ the larger online vendors or just a direct sale.   

Looking forward to your review.

 

[Peterpools]

36 minutes ago, PanzerWomble said:

Typically you test markets and  fit/ packing trials etc with samples made from aluminium moulds which are much cheaper than proper steel ones.

My knowledge is 10 years ago , but pilot aluminium would be £6-10K and good for 2-3000 impressions before they wear out ...full production £80-90 K...make as many as you need......so if you need to change anything with the design that is a cheap way of finding out . Cutting aluminium obviously a lot easier than tool steel . The mould last less time  because they often have only basic cooling circuits.

 

Entirely speculation on my part but looking at the pix on Dacos website can't 100% say for sure , but looking at the 3rd pic down they look to have had had cooling issues with that run as the plastic is charred black . Either that or they got carried away with the mould release !

 

It's all single cavity as well which suggests test shots ...although , I'm not familiar with model kit production so that maybe normal practice on low volume machines ? 

 

Disclaimer All my knowledge comes from buying packaging in relatively high volumes , not model kits 

 

 

PW

Thank you for the information and it's a lot to digest. Maybe Danny should have been a bit clearer as to why they did the first 250 kits, using 'pre production' molds or if these are old photos and the steel molds are done. 

[Kirk]

Daco could do worse than send Oliver one. 😂