recon Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) Which is the better kit, HK or Z-M? thank mike Edited November 22, 2019 by recon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful69 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Oh wow!! .... A hard one - as the answer is purely personal ... Both kits are good in that they have no generally listed accuracy, engineering, fit or finish flaws. The ZM kit has transparent plastic for the external skins - the idea being that you'll be able to see the typically ZM styled internal engineering when built - the problem being, that it's opaque!! ... Some people declare that the "clear" plastic is more brittle and harder to work with than the standard grey stuff, though I've never had this sort of experience ... mind you - my "experience" is limited to the standard clear canopies etc. HKM has the benefit of: 1/ Slightly cheaper in most countries ... 2/ Made in the traditional style of configuration with the traditional grey plastics throughout and 3/ Containing a a nose weight inside the kit!!. If you've built ZM kits before, you're probably going to lean that way, regardless. I have both ... build priority will be with the HKM kit. Rog 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators James H Posted November 22, 2019 Administrators Share Posted November 22, 2019 20 minutes ago, Artful69 said: Oh wow!! .... A hard one - as the answer is purely personal ... Both kits are good in that they have no generally listed accuracy, engineering, fit or finish flaws. The ZM kit has transparent plastic for the external skins - the idea being that you'll be able to see the typically ZM styled internal engineering when built - the problem being, that it's opaque!! ... Some people declare that the "clear" plastic is more brittle and harder to work with than the standard grey stuff, though I've never had this sort of experience ... mind you - my "experience" is limited to the standard clear canopies etc. HKM has the benefit of: 1/ Slightly cheaper in most countries ... 2/ Made in the traditional style of configuration with the traditional grey plastics throughout and 3/ Containing a a nose weight inside the kit!!. If you've built ZM kits before, you're probably going to lean that way, regardless. I have both ... build priority will be with the HKM kit. Rog Plus the HKM kit isn't a natural tail-sitter, like the ZM kit that needs the little prop to hold up the tail. HKM kit also has cast weights to keep it sat on its nose wheel. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful69 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 4 hours ago, James H said: Plus the HKM kit isn't a natural tail-sitter, like the ZM kit that needs the little prop to hold up the tail. HKM kit also has cast weights to keep it sat on its nose wheel. Now isn't THAT weird ... I'd actually heard it was the other way around - That if the ZM kit was built as per instructions, straight OOB, it was not a natural tail sitter, whereas the HKM kit was! - I didn't hear about the little prop either!! ... Either way, there's no way I'd build a tricycle landing gear configuration kit up without some sort of ballast in the front end - it would just feel weird! ... and thank's for the pick up on the CAST ballast - I forgot that bit - a specifically fitting ballast makes assembly life much easier. Rog 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wumm Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Artful69 said: Now isn't THAT weird ... Yes it is, Especially as the Zoukei Mura He-219 kit comes with it's own cast white metal ingot included as ballast. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful69 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 41 minutes ago, Wumm said: Yes it is, Especially as the Zoukei Mura He-219 kit comes with it's own cast white metal ingot included as ballast. Another good point! ... Although I remember someone posting (somewhere) that the Do.335 didn't have one on purpose - because it wasn't supposed to need one ... The He.219 definitely does!! ... and from memory I added some additional ballast in moulded lead also just to make sure (and even then I was stressing that I may not have enough)!! My HKM B.25 kit didn't have one included - but I think Neil realised early on that it would need it - I got a cast one in an added on separate box I think? The kit is a stash queen atm so I can't remember specifics - the boxing was one of the first edition releases. Rog 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlrwestSiR Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 The HK B-25 had the nose weight as an add on item. It came with zinc cast landing gear legs as a set. Some kits were sold with the nose weight and metal gear included but not all of them had it. I ended up with one of each so had to make my own nose weights for one. Carl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 My 25 didnt come with one but ordered one made for it. Can't remember the company.....harv 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators JeroenPeters Posted November 23, 2019 Administrators Share Posted November 23, 2019 Both kits are great. The reason I prefer the HKM one, is that there is AFTER MARKET for it! Eduard, Profi Modeller, HGW etc... For the ZM kit there isn't that much, since we all think it doesn't need anything, but ofcourse it does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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