GazzaS Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Gottfried Weiroster was a luftwaffe ace with 6 kills in only 19 missions. He flew with Jagdgruppe Sud, Stab/Jagdgruppe 50, and JG11 He gave his life defending his country in aerial combat against against US Bombers and their escorts over the Jade Bight on 26 November 1943. The materials at hand are the Revell Bf 109G6 early/late: And a whole bunch of AM. I don't know the W.Nr of this machine, though it is written that he fell flying a bf109G5/U4 W.Nr 26112. In the color photo, you can see a small hint of the gondola under the port wing which would house a single MG 151. This has been reported as being 'green 3', but I much prefer the red and will be working to emulate the color photo. Of course... if anyone knows more, I'd be happy to learn. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaireckstadt Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 3 hours ago, GazzaS said: Gottfried Weiroster was a luftwaffe ace with 6 kills in only 19 missions. He flew with Jagdgruppe Sud, Stab/Jagdgruppe 50, and JG11 He gave his life defending his country in aerial combat against against US Bombers and their escorts over the Jade Bight on 26 November 1943. The materials at hand are the Revell Bf 109G6 early/late: And a whole bunch of AM. I don't know the W.Nr of this machine, though it is written that he fell flying a bf109G5/U4 W.Nr 26112. In the color photo, you can see a small hint of the gondola under the port wing which would house a single MG 151. This has been reported as being 'green 3', but I much prefer the red and will be working to emulate the color photo. Of course... if anyone knows more, I'd be happy to learn. Quite an interesting topic and model Gary. I‘m a 109 fan (have decals in my stash of Grafs green 1 in 1/24 Scale and Barkhorns G in 1/32 Scale) and will closely follow your build. 1st row and place in the middle is occupied by me ! I have a nice book about Graf&Grislawski. Major Graf was the commanding officer of Jagdgruppe 50 and Weiroster was one of his pilots. I found the same fotos in the book indicating the 3 on his aircraft was green (like on Grafs „1“). But the sources I know also state, that it is not sure. It may also have been red. Since red is more eyecatching than green your choice is ok. Also a challenging camo scheme, especially on the fuselage sides. Does Weirosters plane also have the zigzag camo on the wings and tailplanes? Do you also plan to include the Gondola Weapons under the wings? The G-6/R-6 was one of the most build variants of the 109. Saw no AM stuff in your picture). Or are they included in the Revell kit (should know it because I also have the G-6 like you and the G-10 in my stash)? Cheers Kai 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wumm Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Some more information to complicate things... Werk No. is 15912, it is an Erla-built G-6 variant although technically a G-5 airframe... G-5's were pressurised, and built alongside standard Erla G-6 batches, but they lacked the fresh air inlet under the windshield on the left side, as well as the plate that sealed the cockpit behind the main canopy... Note the normal headrest with gaps here. This photo also shows the typical Erla process of painting the gun cover in the lighter RLM 77 grey. As you can see, the wings and tailplanes featured saw-tooth Camo demarcations, and the whole airframe was highly polished to gain the most airspeed possible (note the sheen on the tailplane, and the Balkenkreuz worn away in some places). Refer to this photo rather than the colourised one for camouflage markings. Mottle is heavy in the typical mid-war Erla style, with spots in RLM 02, 74 and 75. Tall aerial mast, and green is usually given as the numeral colour, but red is equally likely. The first two of Weiroster's victories were scored on the Schweinfurt rain of August 17th 1943, and we see him here with 4 tabs on the rudder when the Wochenshau PK crews paid JGr.50 a visit on 16th of September that year. http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2016/08/jgr-50-september-1943-maj-hermann-graf.html?m=1 HTH, S. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinnfb Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 pulling out my comfy chair 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Gaz Going to following all the way. Loads of information to digest and see which wat you want to go. Keep 'em comin Peter 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 20 hours ago, Kaireckstadt said: Quite an interesting topic and model Gary. I‘m a 109 fan (have decals in my stash of Grafs green 1 in 1/24 Scale and Barkhorns G in 1/32 Scale) and will closely follow your build. 1st row and place in the middle is occupied by me ! I have a nice book about Graf&Grislawski. Major Graf was the commanding officer of Jagdgruppe 50 and Weiroster was one of his pilots. I found the same fotos in the book indicating the 3 on his aircraft was green (like on Grafs „1“). But the sources I know also state, that it is not sure. It may also have been red. Since red is more eyecatching than green your choice is ok. Also a challenging camo scheme, especially on the fuselage sides. Does Weirosters plane also have the zigzag camo on the wings and tailplanes? Do you also plan to include the Gondola Weapons under the wings? The G-6/R-6 was one of the most build variants of the 109. Saw no AM stuff in your picture). Or are they included in the Revell kit (should know it because I also have the G-6 like you and the G-10 in my stash)? Cheers Kai Kai, Thank you for the information. I can't really argue with a published book regarding the color of the '3'. Honestly... I have always been suspicious about blue, green, and brown markings on 109's and 190's. Inexplicably, the R6 gondolas and barrels are not included in the kit. I imagine I shall have to acquire some. Every 1/48 kit of a 109 G that I have ever had came with the R6 equipment. Pretty staggered that this one doesn't. Weiroster's plane does have the zigzag camo which will be interesting to replicate. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 19 hours ago, Wumm said: Some more information to complicate things... Werk No. is 15912, it is an Erla-built G-6 variant although technically a G-5 airframe... G-5's were pressurised, and built alongside standard Erla G-6 batches, but they lacked the fresh air inlet under the windshield on the left side, as well as the plate that sealed the cockpit behind the main canopy... Note the normal headrest with gaps here. This photo also shows the typical Erla process of painting the gun cover in the lighter RLM 77 grey. As you can see, the wings and tailplanes featured saw-tooth Camo demarcations, and the whole airframe was highly polished to gain the most airspeed possible (note the sheen on the tailplane, and the Balkenkreuz worn away in some places). Refer to this photo rather than the colourised one for camouflage markings. Mottle is heavy in the typical mid-war Erla style, with spots in RLM 02, 74 and 75. Tall aerial mast, and green is usually given as the numeral colour, but red is equally likely. The first two of Weiroster's victories were scored on the Schweinfurt rain of August 17th 1943, and we see him here with 4 tabs on the rudder when the Wochenshau PK crews paid JGr.50 a visit on 16th of September that year. http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2016/08/jgr-50-september-1943-maj-hermann-graf.html?m=1 HTH, S. Thanks, mate! That added photos and information with come in handy! Not sure how I'll fudge the W.NR... but I'll do my best. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 Not much of an update here. Just slapping together the largest parts with tape to check for fit and alignment. Most of the joins seem pretty close to where they should be, though there is a fair amount of flash. Interestingly the rudder is meant to be positionable and is equipped with interior hinges. Not sure I'm happy with the spinner. It looks a little bit more cone-shaped than I'd like. But... it is better than Trumpeter's. Probably going to have to buy one of those, too. Anyway... no time for modelling. It's my granddaughter's fifth birthday and we'll be heading over soon. Happy Modelling! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wumm Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 The W.Nr. is very small, at the base of the fin near the tailplane. I would use the small numerals included in various 1/35 Wehrmacht kits that are provided for number plates. S 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Wumm said: The W.Nr. is very small, at the base of the fin near the tailplane. I would use the small numerals included in various 1/35 Wehrmacht kits that are provided for number plates. S Not sure if I have anything like that... will go through kits and decals. Think I have a couple of armored cars... the rest are tanks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Gaz Fit looks pretty nice and of course, most important of all; enjoy your granddaughter's fifth birthday Keep 'em comin Peter 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaireckstadt Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Hope you enjoyed the 5th birthday of your granddaughter Gary! The fit of the kit looks really nice. If you don’t find something for the worksno. come back to me. I‘ll check if I have them in my stash and if yes I can send them to you. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Wow, almost missed this. I have a comfy chair too.....harv 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinnfb Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 On 6/2/2021 at 3:15 AM, GazzaS said: Not sure if I have anything like that... will go through kits and decals. Think I have a couple of armored cars... the rest are tanks. I can look, maybe I can dig some out, Also check out the high gloss finish on the upper surface. Quite impressive. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted June 4, 2021 Author Share Posted June 4, 2021 6 hours ago, Kaireckstadt said: Hope you enjoyed the 5th birthday of your granddaughter Gary! The fit of the kit looks really nice. If you don’t find something for the worksno. come back to me. I‘ll check if I have them in my stash and if yes I can send them to you. Thank you Kai! The best part is seeing your grandchild happy. Thank you for the offer. I haven't had a chance to look, yet. 1 hour ago, harv said: Wow, almost missed this. I have a comfy chair too.....harv No need to worry, Harv. It certainly won;t be done quickly. 1 hour ago, Martinnfb said: I can look, maybe I can dig some out, Also check out the high gloss finish on the upper surface. Quite impressive. Thank you Martin. Yes, the high gloss finish is tempting. But you don't want it to look like a car. I think... and I could be wrong... for it to look right, you would need to furnish some imperfections in the aluminum. Certainly not major oil canning... but slight signs of metal stress here and there. Lemme know what you think. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted June 4, 2021 Author Share Posted June 4, 2021 The slippery slope just keeps getting steeper. You know... I have seen a fair number of modellers complain about this airframe being "done to death". But the truth is... it has been done very poorly by Revell. 1. The LG are scheisse (prone to breaking) and here I'm replacing them with brass. 2. The beulen, all four of them are bad. I will sand the wing beulen trying to get them closer to correct, and the fuselage beulen are being replaced by resin parts. 3. The spinner is too cone-shaped and the propeller blades are poorly shaped. I will have to order them. 4. The supercharger intake is wrong, and I have a brass one to replace it. 5. The oil cooler is wrong... I have a replacement for that. 6. No R6 gun pods. I will have to order them. Number 7... is a recent addition to my knowledge about this kit. The troughs for the MG 131's are too close together. I sought to order the part... but it doesn't seem to be anywhere. It is by Barracuda studios but doesn't seem to be in stock anywhere. It's called: Barracuda Studios BCR32157. I will do some online begging... and if worst comes to worst... I will try to make alterations to the kit parts. So... I have AM for this kit twice what the kit cost me to buy. There is more to get, yet. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted June 4, 2021 Author Share Posted June 4, 2021 Hah! a small success. I just remembered I have donor kits. I have a Hasegawa G6 (which I really don't want to strip) and a Trumpeter F4 (really a G2) donor kit. So, the Turmpy kit will give up it's 151 pods. Unfortunately, the Trumy spinner is almost 2mm too skinny. I was going to use my Dremel as a lathe (it works, really) and reshape the too-bulbous for-end. But....that's not gonna happen now. Anyway... Ebay will provide a spinner and bays. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaireckstadt Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 11 hours ago, GazzaS said: Hah! a small success. I just remembered I have donor kits. I have a Hasegawa G6 (which I really don't want to strip) and a Trumpeter F4 (really a G2) donor kit. So, the Turmpy kit will give up it's 151 pods. Unfortunately, the Trumy spinner is almost 2mm too skinny. I was going to use my Dremel as a lathe (it works, really) and reshape the too-bulbous for-end. But....that's not gonna happen now. Anyway... Ebay will provide a spinner and bays. Gary, There is a beautiful upgrade set for the Revell-kit from Alley Cat: It contains all parts you mentioned to correct the flaws of the Revell kit. If you want an awesome propeller you should buy one at Henry Dähne. But I don’t know if you can still get some from him: Hope this helps you a little bit! Cheers Kai 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Gaz Great eye for catching the details and flaws that need to be corrected. The positive side of AM ... it's helps with all the corrections .. the negative side - cost. I guess it's a tradeoff that every builder needs to make somewhere during a build. I've been in the same boat in the past and sometimes it's a tough decision. Keep 'em comin Peter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted June 5, 2021 Author Share Posted June 5, 2021 This Project is now on hold pending the arrival of AM. Shipments I'm expecting are from the Russian Federation and the USA. As I don;t expect any to arrive for at least 6 weeks... I'll spend time elsewhere. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Gaz Did you ever think you would spend this much time, energy and money purchasing AM for a build? How the hobby has changed. So what is going to be your fill in project until the 109 AM arrives? Keep 'em comin Peter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Peterpools said: Gaz Did you ever think you would spend this much time, energy and money purchasing AM for a build? How the hobby has changed. So what is going to be your fill in project until the 109 AM arrives? Keep 'em comin Peter Peter... honestly there was one point where I convinced myself that I would never be a slave to aftermarket. But here I am... chained up. To keep me busy.... I already am working on a Takom 1/16 scale Panzer I. I'll work on that, and the cockpit of the 109 when the mood strikes. This weekend is pretty much gone, so I'll bang away at the tank for a bit. It's also on this forum. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Gaz Always nice to be able to fall back on a kit in progress when we get trapped into waiting for AM parts to show up. And of course, right with you on how I feel about a lot of AM - costly and always a on line hunt takes place trying to find everything which never seems to work out as planned. Keep 'em comin Peter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted June 18, 2021 Author Share Posted June 18, 2021 Welcome back, meine Herren! While I did a little work on the Panzer I today, both crewman and tank had paint that needed to settle. So... I started work on the cockpit of the 109. The Brassin set is quite comprehensive, with a colorful IP. I spent a lot of time folding and attaching an amazingly small amount of PE. One part even pinged off my tweezers but I heard it land on my bench. I picked it up only to realize that I had picked up the desiccated carcass of a tiny black ant. Fortunately I found it later. Had company for dinner, so my achievement for the day had to end there. Here are some very poor pics. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaireckstadt Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Great start on the 109 pit Gary. Parts pinging of the tweezers is a topic which we all have to face. I also found many other things on the floor while searching (spider-legs, etc) but not the part I searched… 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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