CANicoll Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Gary, This may be one of the most amazing things I've seen yet. Those rivets look absolutely terrific! I was debating on getting them for the Tamiya P-38 I have. Hmmm.. Seriously - the look fantastic - great job! Maybe do a tutorial on how you applied them? And the loop for the rangefinder - great work. For some reason I never thought of replacing the kit ones but now I see I just HAVE to. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Gary the Riveter , nice job with these tiny nuisances. It will look fantastic under some paint. Cheers Rob 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Gary, one question, this set if rivets are for the G6 ? That's the only set I could find on there site.....harv 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 6 hours ago, harv said: Gary, one question, this set if rivets are for the G6 ? That's the only set I could find on there site.....harv Harv, Czech it out yourself: https://hgwmodels.cz/en/27-sets 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 9 hours ago, CANicoll said: Gary, This may be one of the most amazing things I've seen yet. Those rivets look absolutely terrific! I was debating on getting them for the Tamiya P-38 I have. Hmmm.. Seriously - the look fantastic - great job! Maybe do a tutorial on how you applied them? And the loop for the rangefinder - great work. For some reason I never thought of replacing the kit ones but now I see I just HAVE to. There is an online tutorial already. And here are some personal experiences I noted over at TOS: First thing they tell you is to remove the translucent paper. But here you have to be careful. Because sometimes the translucent paper is better stuck to the clear transfer sheet than it should be. So what you end up doing is removing the clear transfer sheet from from the rivets. So that when you dip what you have left in the water, your rivets float away. I have an entire sheet of rivets where I cannot remove the translucent sheet. But don't be alarmed, they still work. Just don't remove the white paper. So how do you know when not to remove the white paper? Two ways. Number one: It's difficult to get it to start to separate. Number two: If you get it to separate, and the underside is shiny. Like plastic shiny. That means you have lifted the transfer sheet as well. If you do get them to separate correctly, the underside of the white paper will have a satin sheen. Number two: The rubbery transfer sheet stretches. It is quite easy to distort your pattern of rivets. So, unlike a decal, if you hold one end down and pull on the other end, you can accidentally ruin your pattern by pulling too hard. Thirdly: They go from unsticky to stuck real fast. When that happens and you want to move them, don't pull hard... you will stretch something out of place. To refloat the transfer, quickly apply a brushful of Mr. Mark Softer. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 7 hours ago, DocRob said: Gary the Riveter , nice job with these tiny nuisances. It will look fantastic under some paint. Cheers Rob Thank you Rob. As you know... it only takes one step to plunge headlong down the rabbit hole. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinnfb Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 7 hours ago, harv said: Gary, one question, this set if rivets are for the G6 ? That's the only set I could find on there site.....harv Same thing Harvey, they fit both wheel bulges and tails. Great tutorial Gary, Thank You. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted October 29, 2022 Author Share Posted October 29, 2022 Every bird of prey must go through an awkward stage where his plumage is less than appealing... 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANicoll Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 I was JUST going to ask how it was to mask over the rivets for painting. Guess I'll find out soon! Bird is looking great. Love the finish so far (as the undercoat). The spinner spiral is terrific. Another part of the finish I find challenging with the 109s. I haven't yet invested in the Silhouette cutter. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted October 29, 2022 Author Share Posted October 29, 2022 7 hours ago, CANicoll said: I was JUST going to ask how it was to mask over the rivets for painting. Guess I'll find out soon! Bird is looking great. Love the finish so far (as the undercoat). The spinner spiral is terrific. Another part of the finish I find challenging with the 109s. I haven't yet invested in the Silhouette cutter. Yes... we're both going to find out. For masking I used Tamiya stretch tape for curves, and Frog brand masking tape which I de-tacked twice on my pants. I will tell you one thing, though... Microscale liquid mask will lift the rivets right off. I accidentally got a blob of it on a couple of rivets... so I gently cleaned them with a water-moistened Q-tip. Took the still wet mask and rivet right off. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANicoll Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 I wonder if you put a clear coat over the rivets would that help some? Would they be small enough it would help with the lifting? I'm waiting to see how your masking turns out. I use similar low-tack tape - here in the states purple 3M Scotch brand Delicate Surface tape available at the DIY stores. Works really well and I don't have to de-tack it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted October 30, 2022 Author Share Posted October 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, CANicoll said: I wonder if you put a clear coat over the rivets would that help some? Would they be small enough it would help with the lifting? I'm waiting to see how your masking turns out. I use similar low-tack tape - here in the states purple 3M Scotch brand Delicate Surface tape available at the DIY stores. Works really well and I don't have to de-tack it. With my limited experience, I'm not sure exactly how much paint it takes to make them disappear. I fear making them disappear altogether. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANicoll Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 I hear you, not too many coats I guess. Kind of kicking myself for not ordering them from HGW when I placed my current order... Oh well! There is always later... Good luck! I hope to get back to the Me262 tomorrow. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted October 30, 2022 Author Share Posted October 30, 2022 48 minutes ago, CANicoll said: I hear you, not too many coats I guess. Kind of kicking myself for not ordering them from HGW when I placed my current order... Oh well! There is always later... Good luck! I hope to get back to the Me262 tomorrow. I bought 2 sets plus all three sizes of lined sheet. But I will probably never use one of the lined sheets as the rivets are too far apart. But now... I need to order more of the right size... aka the one with the smallest pitch. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Gaz, stunning in every way, I think I’m with John on the rivets. This is going to be an epic build………. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 Surprise... another update.... I'm sure somebody wanted to see how the painted effects on the control surfaces looked. Sometimes you can see it... sometimes you can't... Just like IRL. Weathering will make them easier to see, I imagine. Obviously, painting is not completed, yet. Also note, the paint colors are modulated. There were three tones of both upper colors applied. There are no transparent areas. Rivets sow through because I have done some sanding to find them and neaten the finish. Most will get painted over again. Now... onto the section I'll refer to as advanced learning. Lesson one... sometimes you can't see the carrier film from the rivet lines that you missed until you cover them with paint. Lesson two... raised rivets make it more difficult for your masks to stick to the model. You can see on this walkway marker what has happened. I'm gonna have to repaint that area and use the decal. Everything is in an ugly stage. I'm sick as a dog, but can't lay around all day while the model ages. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbert27 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Looking amazing. It will all come together! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANicoll Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Gary, Feel better soon! The rivet look is very interesting - I like what you've been able to do with them and sympathize with the masking and carrier film problems. The elevators and rudder really look terrific, nice job! I can see the weather prospect of those raised rivets on a worn aircraft - what you have there already looks cool. Looking good! Get some rest. Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 You are looking at every little mistake as a builder and painter naturally, but I have to say, I really like what I see. All the extra effort will show. If you build something it's like under a magnifying glass, only you use. Take a step back and feel proud about your achievements, Gary. Cheers Rob 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 9 hours ago, Jbert27 said: Looking amazing. It will all come together! Thank you. Jbert! 8 hours ago, CANicoll said: Gary, Feel better soon! The rivet look is very interesting - I like what you've been able to do with them and sympathize with the masking and carrier film problems. The elevators and rudder really look terrific, nice job! I can see the weather prospect of those raised rivets on a worn aircraft - what you have there already looks cool. Looking good! Get some rest. Chris Thanks Chris. I really enjoy the prospect of what I might do with the weathering. The rivets have caused me to deviate from my normal plan with some uncertainty. AS for rest... my wife can sleep a whole day away... But I am definitely a daylight animal. Naps are hard to come by. 5 hours ago, DocRob said: You are looking at every little mistake as a builder and painter naturally, but I have to say, I really like what I see. All the extra effort will show. If you build something it's like under a magnifying glass, only you use. Take a step back and feel proud about your achievements, Gary. Cheers Rob Thank you, Rob. This is one build I had hoped to take to our annual show next August. And competition is stiff, since the little 109 will have to share the same table with modern jets. Because the seat belts are aftermarket, it will have to compete with planes slathered with brass and resin. And even if it weren't going to compete, I feel driven to make it the best build I can. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted November 1, 2022 Author Share Posted November 1, 2022 My Friends... There is perhaps only one moment more gratifying than when your significant other admits: "You were right." And that, my friends is when you lift all of your masks and get absolutely ZERO paint lift. I decided to fix the no-walk strips with masks instead of covering them up with paint. They're not perfectly straight. But they'll have to do. I can change my mind later, if I want. The off-white I chose for the Nat'l markings is too close to late war RLM 76... but I can fix that up with weathering. And I think the dark strip under the exhaust stubs may have extended all of the way down the wing root... So a little more masking to do. Hasta la Vista, Babies! 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Excellent paintjob Gary, finish line in sight. Cheers Rob 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted November 1, 2022 Author Share Posted November 1, 2022 16 minutes ago, DocRob said: Excellent paintjob Gary, finish line in sight. Cheers Rob Thank you, Rob! Lotsa paintbrush work ahead. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinnfb Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 One rare and motivational click. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANicoll Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Looks great!! Congrats on the lack of lifted paint. Whew!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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