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12 minutes ago, FME erk said:

Kai

I do believe it was only on those aircraft with the serial no. starting with the letter 'R' and 'W'.

You are right when you say its on the DV range but to which aircraft it changed will probably be never known . . . 

Ian

Thanks for your reply. This is what I also thought. In the ED-Series at least the 464-Provisionings also had that feature. 
The best is to have as many pictures as possible available of the plane you actually want to build.

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Kia

I dont think they did so I would be interested in seeing the photo that shows that in position . . .

Gibson aircraft certainly had the trailing aerial on the Port side 

You are right though about finding as many pics as possible of the aircraft you want to model  . . .

Ian

 

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2 hours ago, FME erk said:

Kia

I dont think they did so I would be interested in seeing the photo that shows that in position . . .

Gibson aircraft certainly had the trailing aerial on the Port side 

You are right though about finding as many pics as possible of the aircraft you want to model  . . .

Ian

 

Hi Ian,

You are right and this is what I meant: on my model as on the real plane the trailing aerial is on the port side under the wingroot:

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Kia

that actual photo is what I have as reference . . . 

Perhaps I mis-read what you said, as we were talking about early aircraft having the trailing outlet on the starboard side and i thought you were thinking

"In the ED-Series at least the 464-Provisionings also had that feature."

Anyhow, I'm glad we cleared that up  . . .

Ian

PS Would like to see a photo of your Lancaster build  . . .. 

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17 minutes ago, FME erk said:

Kia

that actual photo is what I have as reference . . . 

Perhaps I mis-read what you said, as we were talking about early aircraft having the trailing outlet on the starboard side and i thought you were thinking

"In the ED-Series at least the 464-Provisionings also had that feature."

Anyhow, I'm glad we cleared that up  . . .

Ian

PS Would like to see a photo of your Lancaster build  . . .. 

You are right Ian, it was only a misunderstanding.

I have already posted photos of my build here on the website (aircraft finished).

Please be indulgent with me because I only corrected some of the most visible faults/ missing details of the kit (I even didn’t know some of the necessary corrections you mentioned (e.g. the wrong height of the undercarriage).

I really can’t wait to see your build! 
Cheers Kai

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Kia

I did see that when you posted it, I couldnt tell from the above photo if I had seen it.

I think its a splendid build and there is much to be admired . . . 

Quick question: What did you use to glue the cockpit blister onto the canopy ??

Ian

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3 hours ago, BlrwestSiR said:

Ian, any chance the pin marks in the bay doors will be covered by an inner door or bits from the PE set?

Thankfully I'll only have to deal with it on one of my Lancs as the second will be a Dam Buster 

Carl

Carl

there are no inner doors and I dont want to run to the expense of a massive PE set that covers the whole of the bomb bay and doors  . . .

thanks for asking 

Ian

 

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4 minutes ago, FME erk said:

Kia

I did see that when you posted it, I couldnt tell from the above photo if I had seen it.

I think its a splendid build and there is much to be admired . . . 

Quick question: What did you use to glue the cockpit blister onto the canopy ??

Ian

 Thanks for your feedback, Ian!

To answer your question: I used normal Revell Cement applied thin and fixed everything with Tamiya-Tape. After this had dried I corrected flaws with Mr. Dissolved Putty which can be applied with a brush and excess can easily wiped away with Mr. Color Thinner (not the leveling-version) which doesn’t damage clear plastic. 

BR Kai

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Just now, Kaireckstadt said:

 Thanks for your feedback, Ian!

To answer your question: I used normal Revell Cement applied thin and fixed everything with Tamiya-Tape. After this had dried I corrected flaws with Mr. Dissolved Putty which can be applied with a brush and excess can easily wiped away with Mr. Color Thinner (not the leveling-version) which doesn’t damage clear plastic. 

BR Kai

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I forgot to say that I had to rework the canopy because mine had a bad fit especially at the front. 

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Just a note to say that I have removed the ejector pin marks off the bomb and the undercarriage doors, all 38 of them :angry:

Also removed the Flare chute exit molding on the starboard side just behind the bomb bay B)

Going to give it a few more days before I start rubbing down Mr. Surfacer off the wings  . . .

Ian

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There are so many small jobs that are required to be done in order to obtain the very best out of the kit.

The front turret is quite prominent and one can see into it so to that end, the five Sink marks needed to be filled. I made up a pot of Sprue glue made up of the HK tags removed from the fuselage . . . 

Another error that I have discovered are the side engine cowlings have a square panel on them. I haven't seen this on any wartime aircraft photos and it isnt clear on postwar aircraft either so I'm not sure where they have come from. Again Sprue glue has been put to use  . . .

 

Front turret sprue .JPG

Front turret sprued .JPG

HK engine panel .JPG

I'll keep looking in the box for some more of the smaller jobs to add to the list  :rtfm:

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1 hour ago, FME erk said:

There are so many small jobs that are required to be done in order to obtain the very best out of the kit.

The front turret is quite prominent and one can see into it so to that end, the five Sink marks needed to be filled. I made up a pot of Sprue glue made up of the HK tags removed from the fuselage . . . 

Another error that I have discovered are the side engine cowlings have a square panel on them. I haven't seen this on any wartime aircraft photos and it isnt clear on postwar aircraft either so I'm not sure where they have come from. Again Sprue glue has been put to use  . . .

 

Front turret sprue .JPG

Front turret sprued .JPG

HK engine panel .JPG

I'll keep looking in the box for some more of the smaller jobs to add to the list  :rtfm:

I was also very angry about these prominent ejector pin-marks and their removal. Also about the many holes to drill in the turret inner structures. 
I also had to rework the baseplate since the fit of the turret-structure going through it was much too tight.


I didn’t realize that the squares at the engine cowling are wrong. Can’t change this anymore. Should have known you before I started my build, Ian! 

All these faults and shortcomings of the kit are really a mess for its price. Totally I invested nearly 1.000 € in this kit with all the Eduard Stuff, Magic Scale Modeling Set, Colors, Masks, Resin-Parts, etc.  And even with this a high amount of scratchbuilding is necessary. But this is modeling...

 

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 . . . and thats why we do it Kai  :respect:

I want to spend the time making the alterations cos for me, it will be the ultimate Lancaster kit.

I too have spent £'s on after market stuff and if you include the cost of the vehicles to display with the aircraft when it finished  . . .

Some of the alterations probably are not required cos most members of the public that view it wouldn't appreciate the alterations.

I not saying they wouldn't appreciate the size and look of the aircraft cos it is an eye catcher but Us modellers know that some kit dont 'fall together' and only we  truly appreciate the workings that go into turning a pigs ear into a silk purse  . . . :secret:

Ian

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53 minutes ago, FME erk said:

 . . . and thats why we do it Kia  :respect:

I want to spend the time making the alterations cos for me, it will be the ultimate Lancaster kit.

I too have spent £'s on after market stuff and if you include the cost of the vehicles to display with the aircraft when it finished  . . .

Some of the alterations probably are not required cos most members of the public that view it wouldn't appreciate the alterations.

I not saying they wouldn't appreciate the size and look of the aircraft cos it is an eye catcher but Us modellers know that some kit dont 'fall together' and only we  truly appreciate the workings that go into turning a pigs ear into a silk purse  . . . :secret:

Ian

Hi Ian,

totally agree. Do you plan to go to SMW 2021 and exhibit your Lanc? I plan to go there and display mine together with that of a friend of mine who has build AJ-J in a common diorama. 
If you go there maybe we can meet and have a look at each others.

Kai 

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4 hours ago, FME erk said:

There are so many small jobs that are required to be done in order to obtain the very best out of the kit.

The front turret is quite prominent and one can see into it so to that end, the five Sink marks needed to be filled. I made up a pot of Sprue glue made up of the HK tags removed from the fuselage . . . 

Another error that I have discovered are the side engine cowlings have a square panel on them. I haven't seen this on any wartime aircraft photos and it isnt clear on postwar aircraft either so I'm not sure where they have come from. Again Sprue glue has been put to use  . . .

 

Front turret sprue .JPG

Front turret sprued .JPG

HK engine panel .JPG

I'll keep looking in the box for some more of the smaller jobs to add to the list  :rtfm:

Ian, I think the panel on the engine cowling is from a Canadian built MkX. Likewise the rad shape. Which works out for me since Ropey is a MkX.

Carl

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Good evening Chaps 

Another modification that is required is the lowering of the pilots platform.

Apart from his seat being to high compared to the window of the cockpit, its also the wrong size so that too will require some modifications.

The pilots platform was cut off flat to the cockpit floor and the hole filled with plasti-card. I also cut off the battery pack near to the W/op's seat as I intend to put down a riveted floor, just to make it look better  . . .

bye for now :D

Ian

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So, last night I started a major part of the spec for my particular aircraft.

All the fuselage windows barring the W/op's needs to be eliminated. I dare  say most modellers would put in the kit windows provided and smooth over with some filler ?

I prefer to put in pieces of plasti-card and to that end I started to square off the windows to make it that bit easier to put pieces in.

 2nd photo shows some measurements  . . .

That will keep be busy for a couple of nights  . .  ZZZ zz

Ian

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HK Rear fuselage (1).JPG

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1 hour ago, FME erk said:

So, last night I started a major part of the spec for my particular aircraft.

All the fuselage windows barring the W/op's needs to be eliminated. I dare  say most modellers would put in the kit windows provided and smooth over with some filler ?

I prefer to put in pieces of plasti-card and to that end I started to square off the windows to make it that bit easier to put pieces in.

 2nd photo shows some measurements  . . .

That will keep be busy for a couple of nights  . .  ZZZ zz

Ian

HK Rear fuselage (3).JPG

HK Rear fuselage (1).JPG

That’s a lot of work, Ian! But I think when you build one which hasn’t the windows yours is the most convincing method. 

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Looking amazing Ian, that’s a lot of work but satisfying.........I remember reading in a 5 Group book I think, there was a huge repair facility at Lincoln for Lancs etc for nearly all the fields in Lincolnshire.  There was a quote saying “we took as many wrecks etc to make one good one”  I dare bet some of the returns were a mishmash of several Mk’s .........when did they remove the windows?

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Phil

I believe the repair depot you mentioned was at Bracebridge Heath, still a couple of the big Belfast truss hangars there in use by a Lincoln haulage company.

The windows were taken out on the production line around November 1943  . . .

Ian

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While waiting for Mr. Surfacer to dry through I cracked on with a few other small jobs  . . .

Decided to put down a riveted floor . . . 

ND644 carried a No.1 Group gas circle on her nose so  . . . 

and finally I modified the pilots seat  . . . 

its time to go out so more next week

Ian

 

HK Riveted floor .JPG

HK Nan Gas Patch .JPG

HK Nans Gas Patch 2 .JPG

 

HK Pilots seat modified .JPG

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