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1/32 Revell RF-4C 14th TRS


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17 hours ago, SapperSix said:

My only complaint would be that the newly created rivet looks a little big compared to the washer.

I have another little bit of info to share from my time at El Toro.  The F4 uses a lot of fasteners that aren't rivets for easy access for ground crews.  What you are calling rivets and washers here are actually a type of Allen head screw:

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But they are slightly different in that they are fixed to the panel so that when unscrewed, they stay with the panel.  And I'm pretty sure they're not steel.

 

The ground crew use these to unscrew them quickly:

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I know it's a day late and a dollar short...  but it'll help explain what you're seeing here:

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Frank, I’m blown away by your incredible Alclad skill set.  I know Phantoms, we all do, especially if you’re over 40 as are most of us, I expect, and yet, until yours and Martin’s back and forth, I never really ‘knew’ them, as in appreciating the nuances of these things.  No wonder they’re so popular, they stretch an advanced builder’s skills right to the breaking point.  I think I’m stating the obvious, but this is a SUPERB example of a modeler’s craft, true art in the finest sense. 

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20 hours ago, GazzaS said:

I have another little bit of info to share from my time at El Toro.  The F4 uses a lot of fasteners that aren't rivets for easy access for ground crews.  What you are calling rivets and washers here are actually a type of Allen head screw:

flat-socket-cap-screws-18-8-stainless-st

But they are slightly different in that they are fixed to the panel so that when unscrewed, they stay with the panel.  And I'm pretty sure they're not steel.

 

The ground crew use these to unscrew them quickly:

TBARSF-012-247x247.jpg

 

I know it's a day late and a dollar short...  but it'll help explain what you're seeing here:

f-4c_08_of_19.jpg

 

 

Thank you Gaz, I find that as I build this plane I want to start over.  And I will.  I will build another Phantom and take all I have been taught and learned to make it another step above.  As always your input is of great help and appreciated.  First hand experience is something I severely lack input from those who know has been a great boon to my build. 

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11 hours ago, Clunkmeister said:

Frank, I’m blown away by your incredible Alclad skill set.  I know Phantoms, we all do, especially if you’re over 40 as are most of us, I expect, and yet, until yours and Martin’s back and forth, I never really ‘knew’ them, as in appreciating the nuances of these things.  No wonder they’re so popular, they stretch an advanced builder’s skills right to the breaking point.  I think I’m stating the obvious, but this is a SUPERB example of a modeler’s craft, true art in the finest sense. 

Sir Maximus Clunkmesiter, first of his name, breaker of F-5's, repairer of Lanc noses, builder of old green trucks.....

I can not overstate the amount of help and insight from others I have received during this build.  I have spent many hours looking at other builds, asking questions and receiving detailed answers from many on this site.  My confidence and ability has grown only because of the gracious fellow modelers on this site.  This build has been a series of firsts for me, the Phantom definitely provides vast potential. 

Strangely, during this build I have had recollections of my very youthful 1/72 Phantom builds.  Hand painted pactra and testors bottles, one razor blade and some paper towels. The hobby has grown in to an amazing feast of art, technical information and history.  One gets to decide how far they want to go to maximize their enjoyment. 

Thank you for your kind words dude....Here is to more modeling and a little bit of whiskey. 

 

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Started decals on the nose when I realized that the reference photos show the decals I have already put on in black text, rather than the white you see.  I have found no replacement.  While the plane will look nice it will not be the historical match I was aiming for.  Further research is required before I continue. 

 

They also seem to be holding air bubbles despite my attempts otherwise...I refrained from any gloss coat prior to decals.  Maybe a touch will be required.  The good news is the Jameson is very tasty tonight.

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Frank,

   It looks great despite the white/black issue.  When confounded by bubbles, I lightly stab them with the very tip of my X-acto blade, then give them a bit of decal softener.   Helps most of the time. 

When there are compound decals (multiple figures joined by clear film, I cut away as much clear film as possible even if this will make more decals.  PITA...  but few things are as frustrating as silvering.

 

Just don't dip the decals in the Jameson.

 

GAz

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Gaz,

Bubble stabbing has been working.  But I will tell you there are some really small bubbles in there.  :2guns:

So what is different from my last efforts? The most obvious is I went to the Micro Set and Sol solutions because previous attempts on the underside had shown SolvaSet as to hot with the current awesome decals.  I went back to solvaset and things have simmered down a bit I just use very little on a hobby brush, rather than the supplied brush.

It is possible I soaked a few in the wrong solution....:wine:*buurp*

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2 minutes ago, SapperSix said:

I know some boys back a FT Bragg......:wine:  They make a heavenly Peach.

Nahhh, straight off the top, man. No cutting, no adding, no subtracting, just the taste of corn.

I don’t drink much, but when I do, it’s hardcore.  Corn or potatoes to me, same difference.  I like my whiskey and vodka.

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I am addicted to the real thing:

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I never developed a strong love for alcohol. 

One night Jack Daniels and BBQ ribs...  Saw the ribs twice and Jack kicked me in the head the next morning.  I don't talk to Jack no more.  The Duty NCO made me mop up my own vomit!

Drank some Glenfiddich and Coke (probably heresy) and played my first 18 holes of golf on my Daughter's wedding day.  Let's just say that on the wedding night, Mrs. Gazza wasn't very happy with me.  BTW...  on the 18th hole it took 27 swings to knock the ball off the tee.

I like beer with food...  most beers will suffice.  The best beer is of course free beer.

I drank 11 cans of ice cold Budweiser after ops at the Pohakuloa Training Area in Hawaii.

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Then I stole...err, I mean liberated my Section Chief's Towel, Cammies, and skivvies while he was in the shower, forcing him to walk back to the Quonset Hut wearing nothing but his spectacles and and shower shoes...USMC parlance for thongs.  The shower is the green building upper left of the picture.   Despite punishment push-ups, I still held my beer.

And once I played quarters at a married guy's house.  I was told I'd never be invited again.  Still don't know what I did...

 

Sorry for the continuing the thread creep....

 

Gaz

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5 minutes ago, GusMac said:

Gaz, don't ever come to Scotland and admit you put Coke in the Glenfiddich, someone will chin you! :lol:

Gaz, I am not sue I could be friends with anyone after that.  That is the most sacrilegious thing I have ever heard.  In fact that makes me question all of human existence....Such a sad thing...Coke and Glen.  It boggles the mind.  :huh::popo::lol:

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Gaz,

I still have my operation maps from that Hawaiian hell mountain.  I never thought I could be in Hawaii, freezing to death with Volcanic ash making everything less comfortable.  Seeing the beaches from altitude was a real moral killer.....We helo'd in from the airport and right back after the operation.  No fun for us...

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42 minutes ago, GusMac said:

Gaz, don't ever come to Scotland and admit you put Coke in the Glenfiddich, someone will chin you! :lol:

:rofl:

Well...  the only time I've ever had it straight was at a funeral for a Scotsman that died here in Australia.   I bought it for us, his co-workers, to toast him, but nobody would have more than a shot and most didn't want it at all.  It sat in my liquor cabinet for two more years before I found another occasion to drink it.

Poor Peter...  At least he died drunk...  RIP

 

And now, this past Christmas, my brother in law gave me a bottle of "The Singleton" single malt scotch.  I have no idea how or when I'll open that one.

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