npb748r Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 I have my new flanker kit - it's massive and doesn't look too complicated. I'm hoping some of you can give me some advice though as in all of my decades of kit building this will be the first for me where the engine covers remain unpainted. I just wondered what the best approach to painting the engines are and how you get those colourful blue (I assume) heat stains randomly across the covers. Understanding how those of you have mastered this aspect of painting would be appreciated, how you do it, paints and colours used, etc and if you use any additional weathering products. I have to say, I am slightly shocked that in 50 years of modelling I've not built an aircraft with this characteristic before. thanks in advance for any suggestions or pointers. neil 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1to1scale Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 The hard way is to airbrush a few clear colors on it, you can get clear colors from Tamiya and MRP to name a few, however, the easiest way is to us Tamiya weathering powders, they make one set that has metallic blue, red, and smoke, perfect for heat staining engines. Tamiya Weathering Set D Burnt,Red,Oil 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npb748r Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 brilliant thanks. Just ordered some. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Desmond Glazebrook Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Go to an art store and buy a complete set of pastel chalk. There are colour mixing guides online. You will save LOADS of cash. IMHO Modelling companies selling tiny grams of powder top dollar are ripping customers off. It is criminal. Pastel mixing guide. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Desmond Glazebrook Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Just now, npb748r said: brilliant thanks. Just ordered some. Oh. Well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npb748r Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Sir Desmond Glazebrook said: Oh. Well. I hadn't hit the checkout button yet, just emptied my cart . -thanks 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HubertB Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 7 hours ago, 1to1scale said: The hard way is to airbrush a few clear colors on it, you can get clear colors from Tamiya and MRP to name a few, however, the easiest way is to us Tamiya weathering powders, they make one set that has metallic blue, red, and smoke, perfect for heat staining engines. Tamiya Weathering Set D Burnt,Red,Oil 2 hours ago, Sir Desmond Glazebrook said: Go to an art store and buy a complete set of pastel chalk. There are colour mixing guides online. You will save LOADS of cash. IMHO Modelling companies selling tiny grams of powder top dollar are ripping customers off. It is criminal. Pastel mixing guide. The question is : does this cost more or less than an eye make-up set ? This looks awfully like my wife's ... Most likely, women are even more ripped-off than modellers Hubert 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Desmond Glazebrook Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Great. Glad I can help. A music student of mine is one of Australia's best professional artists. At his urging I have begun to buying important colours used to mix every colour. I am currently experimenting with colours. I just made RLM 02. Yay me! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Desmond Glazebrook Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, HubertB said: The question is : does this cost more or less than an eye make-up set ? This looks awfully like my wife's ... Most likely, women are even more ripped-off than modellers Hubert Imalda Marcos. Shoes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I like to use metal Colours first, depending on the area of the jet, aluminum, jet exhaust, titanium or others. Last week I sprayed the burner cans of my Mig-31 and used Jet exhaust as a base, pale burnt metal foe highlighting (AK-Extreme Metal) and then some Clear dark blue (also AK) to get the tint. There will be further treatment with washes and pigments but this method works for me. BTW:: These Colours are an Indicator of the amount of heat, depending on the used metal. They spread from yellow to blue-black depending on the temperature on the given spot. I think the English word for this effect is annealing Colours, but I'm not sure. Cheers Rob 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1to1scale Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I believe the term is heat staining, I believe annealing is when you apply heat to change the properties of metal, like hardness and malleability. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npb748r Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 thanks all, looking forward to giving it a go. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 53 minutes ago, 1to1scale said: I believe the term is heat staining, I believe annealing is when you apply heat to change the properties of metal, like hardness and malleability. I'm sure you are right here , due to my time in university and as as a former engineer, I now a lot about metals but unfortunately mostly in German language . Cheers Rob 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Excellent question Neil, I have my first jet to do (ZM F4J) so I need this set, thanks guys...... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GusMac Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 10 hours ago, 1to1scale said: I believe the term is heat staining, I believe annealing is when you apply heat to change the properties of metal, like hardness and malleability. Annealing will also change the colour of certain metals, particularly titanium. Quite often used for jewellery such as earrings. An old friend of mine was the chief jewellery technician at our local art college and told a great story of a student who came back one summer thinking he'd got a great deal on a load of cheap titanium for making stuff. Turned out it was useless as it was 'aviation grade' and was treated in some way that meant you could do what you liked to it but it wasn't going to change in any way! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Desmond Glazebrook Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 16 hours ago, 1to1scale said: I believe the term is heat staining, I believe annealing is when you apply heat to change the properties of metal, like hardness and malleability. Correct. I know a bit about heating metal. I am a fully qualified industrial blacksmith. I used to make large hooks for cranes. Terrible job. The furnace is 2600 C° and we worked the metal at 1900 C°. Our tongs were 1 meter in length. Completed my apprenticeship at 18, and never worked a day at it since. Drumming was way less hot. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GusMac Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Did you have any hair left on your forearms Dale?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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