Bomber_County Posted October 25, 2020 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 Ok guys, F4J finished back to this bad boy..........I have the rigging line now so just trying some experiments on the CDL......more to follow........ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 So back to the the Camel, I didn’t realise it was back in April since my last time I worked on this ........anywaY, remember I am a WW1 / WnW virgin..........my first foray into CDL and rigging..... rigging is the Chameleon 0.12mm ........ 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlrwestSiR Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Looks like you're off to a good start on the rigging. I've only built 1 more WNW kit than you Phil so I'd say you're doing just fine. Carl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 28 minutes ago, BlrwestSiR said: Looks like you're off to a good start on the rigging. I've only built 1 more WNW kit than you Phil so I'd say you're doing just fine. Carl Thanks Carl, early stages......... so two lessons already learnt, AK Extreme Metal does not like Tamiya acrylic... and remembering to decal before adding controls horns and rigging........... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackster Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Great work Phil, I have never really been interested in WW1 aircraft, but this build is changing my mind. I may have to have a ferret and see if I can find WNW kit, they certainly look nice. Cheers Kev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 Thanks Kev much appreciated, no work at the moment, watching the 6 Nations Rugby.......WW1 planes require a different mind set but that’s good for the grey cells .........Wales v Scotland poised nicely at half time..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Looking mighty good Phil, CDL looks great. Chameleon rigging is eye testing, but very rigid and helps to support the structure. That from a near newb with two WNW builds and two 1/48 WWI SSW's . Cheers Rob 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 Rob, much appreciated.......I see (or not ) what you mean about using the Chameleon..........did I read you can use heat to tension it up, I tried with a soldering iron near the line and it seemed to work????....... i actually wired the engine as well with lead wire, another first for me........still looks crappy against you what you guys produce......I read Mikes (Sandbaggers) notes on his Camel. He suggested 0.4mm tubing for the ferrels, I have some but cannot thread it......closest I have is 0.6mm, will work..? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 It looks very good, Phil! Love the tone of your CDL. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJTX Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Looking really good. I do enjoy the varying problems and solutions that come with the different generations of aircraft models. WW1 is certainly unique in its modeling requirements. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 hours ago, GazzaS said: It looks very good, Phil! Love the tone of your CDL. Thanks Gaz, not sure how I did it now rarely use Tamiya but really pleased with the outcome........ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, TJTX said: Looking really good. I do enjoy the varying problems and solutions that come with the different generations of aircraft models. WW1 is certainly unique in its modeling requirements. Thanks, much appreciated, I am learning a lot on this one for sure.....its a time of first’s for me, first jet just finished and then my first WW1 biplane....... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 14 hours ago, Bomber_County said: Rob, much appreciated.......I see (or not ) what you mean about using the Chameleon..........did I read you can use heat to tension it up, I tried with a soldering iron near the line and it seemed to work????....... Hi Phil, I didn't mean tensioning with heat, I meant using turnbuckles like Bob's or self made ones cut from micro tube. First you thread the Chameleon line through a micro tube with inner diameter of 0,3mm, then through the anchor point/eyelet and again (a bit fiddly) through the micro tube. When you pull the Chameleon line taut with tweezers, they are almost self fastening and a drop of CA makes that permanent. Rigged this way, the rigging becomes kind of a structural element and gives more rigidity. I hope my babbeling is understandable . Cheers Rob 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted November 1, 2020 Author Share Posted November 1, 2020 Thanks Rob, I must admit I am struggling without the turnbuckles, I’ll try the micro tube.........as finances stand and going into 4 week lockdown plus still no work I see what I have instead of ordering stuff.......it may have to go back on the shelf...... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Bomber_County said: Thanks Rob, I must admit I am struggling without the turnbuckles, I’ll try the micro tube.........as finances stand and going into 4 week lockdown plus still no work I see what I have instead of ordering stuff.......it may have to go back on the shelf...... That's a tough situation Phil, and I hope it will be better soon. You don't have to go the expensive way though, just use brass micro tube with the inner diameter of 0,3 and outer diameter of 0,5 mm. With a scalpel rolling, you cut ca. 0,3-0,5 cm (depending the type of turnbuckle) length from the tube and don't forget to clean the holes with a micro drill. The eylets can be made of thin wire by yourself, use a small metal hook, bend the wire around and twist the hook. Cut the twisted part and you have an eyelet. Sounds complicated, it isn't so much. It takes some effort, but it's well wort it. For easier rigging, you can glue in all the eylets into pre drilled holes and then rig all the wires from the upper wing first. After assembling the upper wing onto the struts, you have to do the rigging only on the lower wing to complete the process. Cheers Rob 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted November 1, 2020 Author Share Posted November 1, 2020 2 hours ago, DocRob said: You don't have to go the expensive way though, just use brass micro tube Thanks Rob, you’re an absolute star, I’ll give it a go. I’ve tried the drill the hole and CA the chameleon into it, the CA is a bit old so doesn’t go off to quick.. I have a new tube , I’ll try that....... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted November 1, 2020 Author Share Posted November 1, 2020 Trying to put something together as close to Rob’s idea.......the closest tube I have is 1mm ....it looks to big.......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Bomber_County said: it looks to big Si Cheers Rob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Somewhere I read, that it's possible to stretch the mid section of cotton swabs over a flame as tubes for turnbuckles, but never tried it. Cheers Rob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krow113 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Watching this I still recommend Prym and some scale flat bar. Study some pics of Royal Aircraft Factory flat rigging. Good luck! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted November 1, 2020 Author Share Posted November 1, 2020 31 minutes ago, DocRob said: Somewhere I read, that it's possible to stretch the mid section of cotton swabs over a flame as tubes for turnbuckles, but never tried it. Cheers Rob I’ll try anything at the moment, thanks for confirming...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted November 1, 2020 Author Share Posted November 1, 2020 12 minutes ago, krow113 said: Watching this I still recommend Prym and some scale Being furloughed for the last 8 weeks and no new projects in the office for the foreseeable future , expenditure is not an option at the present.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HubertB Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 1 mm tube definitely looks too big, agreed ... Albion Alloys have some 0.5 mm dia tube, with 0.3 mm inner diameter. One 350 mm tube will get you a long way on rigging a biplane. I can send you one if you want. As for tensioning, a soldering iron is a bit too big as well. I personally use an incandescent toothpick. Light it with a lighter, blow off the flame, and get the incandescent tip under (about 1 cm) the monofilament. It will shrink magically , HTH Hubert 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krow113 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Prym is like $3. Stretching ear bud tubes is a challenge not worth the time. I tried that and getting them all the same diameter is tough. After examining all of the available options I used the Prym and some of the p/e flat rigging as well as numerous materials for the connection points. I beleive LiSP still has The Biff Piece in their data base , I didn't hide anything when it came to the rigging , so worth the time to look at. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krow113 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Buddy sent me these: https://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?/topic/42591-ww-1-rigging-rules/ https://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?/topic/42357-the-biff-piece/&tab=comments#comment-426861 Rigging is an overload of info. Good luck! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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