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On 6/19/2021 at 9:28 PM, FME erk said:

I think I may be gettin the urge or some form of mojo back cos I've been thinking about getting back onto the build as research for my other project is slowly coming to a halt as I await further details from another source . . .

I shall have to carry out an overview of the status . . . .

 

 

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I made a start on painting a few bits that fit into the rear fuselage so I guess thats a start in the right direction. . . . 

Looking over the build I think the next item to scratch is the flight engineers 2nd dickie seat so I'll get that sorted, measured up etc and show some progress  . . .

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Great Ian that you are back to the bench and nice progress!

What do you mean with scrstchbuilding a second dickie-seat for the flight-engineer? Do you have a picture of it and where it is located in the cockpit? 

 

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The flight-engineers seat provided in the kit is the post-war (PA474) type that hinges up from a bracket whereas a wartime seat was hinged and lifted, being supported by a bracket as seen in the second photo of the version which I am pleased to see that HK have corrected for the 48th

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The 32nd seat provided for the flight engineer . . .

BELOW, the seat provided in HK's 48th which is the correct version for a wartime aircraft and needs to be scratched for the 32nd kit  . . .

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Note the 'triangular' support bracket for the seat  . . .

Be making a start then . . .. 

Ian

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1 hour ago, FME erk said:

The flight-engineers seat provided in the kit is the post-war (PA474) type that hinges up from a bracket whereas a wartime seat was hinged and lifted, being supported by a bracket as seen in the second photo of the version which I am pleased to see that HK have corrected for the 48th

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The 32nd seat provided for the flight engineer . . .

BELOW, the seat provided in HK's 48th which is the correct version for a wartime aircraft and needs to be scratched for the 32nd kit  . . .

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Note the 'triangular' support bracket for the seat  . . .

Be making a start then . . .. 

Ian

Thanks for the explanation Ian ! Now I know what you mean. The next mistake I made on mine…

And good to hear that they corrected it on the 48 scale version.

Looking forward to seeing your progress! 

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An update  . . . .

The bomb bay: Part number M17 has THREE viewing windows in the bulkhead but in reality there were only TWO

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The removal of some 30+ injector pins took some doing but well worth the finish 

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The cockpit floor across the top of the bomb-bay 

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I have yet to start the flight-enginneers seat but I have a sketch from which to start the preliminary build . . .

thanks for looking in 

Ian

 

 

 

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Great progress Ian! You are the Lancaster-Master!

I can remember all the ejector pin marks on the parts. Luckily I only had to remove only a few in the bomb bay thanks to the Dambuster version…

Curious to see your new Flight Engineers seat! 

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Sorry chaps for no updates etc but I've just been working on some drawing plans for buildings that will be heading 'down under' so I will be back on the Lanc pretty soon . . . 

Ian

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Something to show after a period of absence . . .

The rod bar on which to hang the seat 

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the seat in position, I need to finish the frame then I'll paint it . . . its in the stowed position because I intend to have the flight-engineer stood beside it 

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and how it looks from the outside  . . .

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and because my Lancaster was a late production and I had it first hand from the navigator, the bench seat shared with him and the bomb-aimer

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more to come :)

Ian

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Great work on the (correct!) flight engineers‘ seat and the scratched bench.

Did the navigator really joined the seat on the bench with the bomb-aimer? 
I always thought he was lying in the nose in all versions?

But you are THE Lanc expert, David. One can always learn a lot from you!

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The bomb-aimer was only required to lay down on the bomb run however, in the nose he could also act as a look out for landmarks and report these to the navigator. With electronic aids being used into late 44 and 1945 some bomb-aimers also sat along side the nav to monitor certain equipment, (what exactly I dont know).

Here is a link filmed mid 1945 showing such two airmen, It has been suggested to me that the front man is sat on the flight engineers seat but I would suggest that seat would be higher plus, the front man is sat either in front of or slightly behind the equipment  . . .

Starts around 11 mins

 

Also a photo showing a navigator not sat in a 'chair' but on a bench  . . . 

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 I know this was not in all aircraft but it was in some  . . . .

Ian

 

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The scratch built and correct fitting for the flight-engineers seat in all Lancaster aircraft . . . .

For those not aware, the seat dropped down and the two rails ran up the channels and stopped at the top and in essence formed a triangle, the foot of the support frame didnt move from its base position

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I will secure it when I have the to halves together as there is a few more bits of equipment to add before doing that  such as a canvas back rest for the flight engineer.

Ian

 

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On 7/31/2021 at 4:00 PM, Kaireckstadt said:

Great work on the (correct!) flight engineers‘ seat and the scratched bench.

Did the navigator really joined the seat on the bench with the bomb-aimer? 
I always thought he was lying in the nose in all versions?

But you are THE Lanc expert, David. One can always learn a lot from you!

Kai

I found this from a chap who was on my squadron (100 Sqdn.) stationed at RAF Grimsby, listen at the very begining to what he says . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAeIv35Qlxs

Ian

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4 hours ago, FME erk said:

Kai

I found this from a chap who was on my squadron (100 Sqdn.) stationed at RAF Grimsby, listen at the very begining to what he says . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAeIv35Qlxs

Ian

Great video Ian! You are completely right. He says that he sat beneath the navigator operating the H2S before going into the nose to do his job. 
So your bench for both is absolutely correct. Very good research and knowledge! 

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