Artful69 Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 INTRODUCTION PART #1 Hi all ... One of the most annoying things in life is watching people have a great deal of fun, while standing on the outer as you're wishing you could participate (for whatever reason)! There are always Group Builds (GB's) going on ... and although my skill set is as dodgy as a $3 bill, I've always wanted to have a go - provided I have something that fits within the subject matter - which is usually not the case! This year, more than any other, has been busy as all get out and I've usually only had time to pop into the forums to check the mail and post the odd comment - never mind Group Builds, I haven't even had time to dust any kits off and fondle plastic!! ... I've watched in frustration as LSM has had no less than 3 current Group Builds that all give me an entry point ... and they all end on 31st December. Work has now changed (I was informed of this while on Annual leave with my wife-to-be in the Philippines back in November) ... and with the end of the FIFO contract work, I'm back on the road locally - which means that, along with the rest of the technicians I'm on Christmas break from Dec 24th to Jan 3rd ... which sparked an idea ... As per the below discussion thread started a couple of weeks ago: http://forum.largescalemodeller.com/topic/4272-tools-for-resin-and-photo-etch/page-1 I'm going to attempt this mission ... to build a Bf.109E-1 (1940) with a full Eduard Brassin upgrade, before the Dec 31st deadline! This build contains a number of "Firsts" for me ... * It will be my first ever public build - I've never posted my work online before ... largely because my skill set fits firmly into the beginners category ... and when you're just gawking at the amazing work of others posted online, while learning some new techniques, you're also learning how far behind the rest of the pack you really are! ... no matter - everyone has to start somewhere, right??!! * It will be the first time I have ever worked with resin - I've bought a number of resin kits (and a couple of mods) for the stash ... but apart from having a look inside the boxes, I've never touched them. * It will be the first time I've used Photo Etched metal parts this extensively - Previous metal components have been limited to brass barrels from various manufacturers and the odd sticky (self adhesive), pre coloured Photo Etch detail. In reference to my first point above, I decided that I'd document this build in detail - hopefully so that more "First Timers" or beginners will gain some understanding from my experiences on the "How To's" and gain some confidence to have a go in future. ** so bear in mind as you read AND comment that this thread is worded and targeted for BEGINNERS ** ... I mentioned above that there were 3 Group Builds going on simultaneously ... I wanted to at least have a go at the "Spitfire" GB as well so I was thinking of a simple, straight Out Of Box (OOB) build of the 1/32 Tamiya Mk.IXc ... but then I figured I might not have enough time. With the sad passing of Edgar Brooks (a leading specialist on the aircraft and an irreplaceable reference, really!) a "Tribute" Spitfire GB has started on the LSP (Large Scale Planes) forum - so even if I can't complete a build here, I'll have time to finish it off over there! Then I also thought of this resin upgrade caper, I also thought of my Hobby Boss Mk.Vb - and the HpH resin correction set I have on the shelf ... and that's when the idea was born for Build #2. There was no way I was going to have enough time to get involved in the HK Models GB ... BUT (Merry Christmas to me!) ... there's a new "HK Models Official Contest" arcing up as of January 1st - so I get another opportunity! Thanks guys - Build #3!! ... I digress ... Back to the the 109 and Build #1 ... It's Christmas Day ... and I have to do some family stuff etc ... I've run out of time for the moment ... Introduction Part #2 to follow later today! Rog 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JG26 Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Good luck with the build. Watch out for that rear wing-to-fuselage join underneath. You WILL have a gap, just be patient & get out the plasticard/filler. Apart from that (barring resin fit issues) you'll be ok, it's a pretty quick build really. Look forward to progress pics. Regards, Dan M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rieser Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 "Ride it like you stole it" Rog. Cheers, Ralph. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators JeroenPeters Posted December 25, 2015 Administrators Share Posted December 25, 2015 What a great idea and challenge! Can't wait to see the first installment. Good luck! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful69 Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 INTRODUCTION PART #2 Ok … back with the second part of the intro ... For the "E" (commonly referred to as the "Emil") variant there are two front runners in 1/32 scale. When I say this ... I'm referring to a combination of overall accuracy (against the real thing), appropriate level and crispness of detail provided ... and ease of fit and finish. These kit's are: the Eduard 1/32 series and the Cyber Hobby (Dragon or DML) 1/32 Series. Eduard (unfairly in my opinion) got a bit of a hammering about it's accuracy, fit and finish when reviewed upon release ... and sure, when you compare it to the more recent Cyber Hobby kit, it does fall a little short ... but from the builds I've seen online, it doesn't take all that much to scrub it up into a decent, accurate display of the real thing. Run a Google search, ask a few questions on the forums (look at the suggestion posted above already!!) … and you'll see what I'm talking about. The (Real) E-1 variant was released to front line fighter units only a very short time before before the E-3 ... So the only real difference was in the armament upgrade to two, wing mounted 20mm FF Cannons replacing the previously installed wing mounted MG's - which, in turn, necessitated some reworked paneling both above and below the aircraft wings . Cyber Hobby (to date) has only released the Cannon equiped variety ... so the decision was: either modify the Cyber Hobby E-3 in the appropriate wing areas ... Or build Eduards E-1 (the only manufacturer to produce this variant in 1/32 scale). Since I've never done any scratch building work (essentially - build your own components and modifications!!), I decided not to push my luck too far and tackle a reasonable amount of "Firsts" to begin with ... Ok, so, let's set up! … to the workroom! Er ... probably not! ... I haven't built anything for quite some time so the area's been used for storage. Time to relocate, temporarily ... to here: Move a few things around and set up ... about 10 minutes this morning ... and Voilà! Add my modelling "Tool Chest" on wheels along with a couple of reference books ... ... and now the kit ... Eduard's 1/32 Bf.109E-1 ProfiPACK. Looking back at the other thread I started ... I had asked the question about what sort of gear I was going to need in order to tackle this adventure ... Again, a big thank you to all of those who posted their thoughts, options and encouragement ... I purchased my gear inside the country in order to reduce shipping times and came away with: From Supplier number 1 at a grand total of $286.35 AUD: * Super Detail-Up Resin parts for 1/32 BF109E - Eduard BigSin (this is the upgrade set I'll be using!) * Photo Etch Workstation - The 5.5 (5 Speed) Hold and Fold Works. * Tamiya Thin Blade Craft Saw (2 blades) * CMK Saw Blades 5 Pcs - 2 Sided (Ultra Smooth and Extra Smooth) * CMK Saw Blade Handle * Diamond File set 3 Pcs ... and from Supplier number 2 at a grand total of $118.92 AUD: * Tamiya Paint Stirrer * Tamiya Modelling Scissors ... [PE Specific] * Zap-A-Gap - 5 Minute Quick Set Epoxy - 4 oz * Zap-A-Gap - Cyanoacrylic Thick Viscosity Slo Dry - 2 oz * Zap-A-Gap - Debonding Agent For Cyanoacrylic - 30 ml * Zap-A-Gap - Kicker - 2 oz * Zap-A-Gap - Canoacrylic Medium Viscosity - 2 oz * Zap-A-Gap - Flexi Tips (24 pk) ... [these things are some sort of flexible applicator] So ... Just pause for a minute of thought here ... Obviously these products cost a bit of money at $405.27 ... the kit itself, when I bought it, came in at $75.00 AUD ... So just the upgrade at $103.95 was worth quite a bit more. But it's all relative ... I hear complaints all the time about certain kits being "Too expensive" - HpH's recent release of a Ta.154 kit comes to mind. At about $310.00 AUD, including the FedEx shipping to my door from the Czech Republic, it's actually not so bad at all - considering that the kit has just about every detail you could possibly want to use for a detailed build up!! In other words, no After Market accessories (AM) needed. As I said ... just food for thought. Yes, I know that I'm going to get multiple use out of most of these items (heck, there are even spares here to replace wear-and-tear ... but just the kit and the upgrade (without postage), putting it all about on par with HpH's level of detail inclusions, is about $180.00 AUD. At the end of Christmas day here ... I have some tidying up to do around the home ... and some other stuff to organise. I'll be getting an early night - because I have a LOT of work to do here tomorrow!! ... Kind of exciting, really! See you all tomorrow! Rog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BevanBrooks Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Hey Rodger, the canopy is another issue to look out for. On both the kits I've built it seems it is not wide enough ( E4, E1). Could've been me, but a heads up anyway. I did use an Aires pit in the E1 but oob on the E4 so go figure! Happy modelling, looking forward to your first installment. Cheers Bevan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators James H Posted December 25, 2015 Administrators Share Posted December 25, 2015 First of all, congrats on the engagement!!! You'll need a big cake and some shipping boxes for us all Now, real glad you started this one and your online building cherry is busted. Really can't wait to see what you make of this one. The new tools are sharp, so no excuses! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JG26 Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Agree with Bevan's comment on the front & rear canopy width, mine were too narrow- I ended up making up a small "spreader" to hold them to the correct width while using a small amount of superglue.....once again, a little patience is needed.... Regards, Dan M 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful69 Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 Hi All ... Just a couple of quick questions: I've been told that I need to wash the resin before I work with it, so: * Will normal dish washing soap be ok? * How hot/warm does the water need to be? * Will I need to scrub the parts with a brush or just immerse them ... and if so, for how long? Also ... I don't normally "prime" my plastic before painting - with Tamiya acrylics ... * Do I really have to prime the resin or the photo etch? * Will Tamiya acrylics stick to either properly? Rog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis.E Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Hi Rog, ...What you are doing here mate is cleaning mold release chemical residue from the resin components - this is done per quality control in plastic components/kits by the larger, more mainstream manufacturers such as Tamiya, Hasegawa etc... Warm to the touch - if you can put your mitt in the water without wanting to immediately head for the roof is fine. I use dish washing liquid as this does the trick nicely..now grab the wife's dish washing scrubber and give each peice a good scrubbing. You want to remove any residual mold release agent from the peice. Use something like a toothbrush for smaller pieces, and be careful of smaller parts heading for the plug hole. Bloody hard to find if they do Rog, especially amoungst all that sudsy water... When you have scrubbed all your pieces, place all parts on a tee towel and empty the sink. Now wash out all traces of soap/dish washing liquid suds, then carefully wash each part under running water (cold water is fine mate). Give each part a good rinse, then I allow them all to air dry. It's a good test of your patience... I feel the whole issue of priming over plastic is a personnel choice. More of an issue when dealing with resin or photoetch. I'm sure the other guys will have an opinion on this; ultimately I think that's up to you Rog. Do make sure and prime all photoetch. I lay down an undercoat of matt black over resin (and plastic now for that matter) as it helps at the other end of the project with depth, and the black also absorbs light without refraction giving a more realistic finish. Again Rog, that's your call - that's just what I do. Properly stirred, Tamiya acrylics will stick to resin and plastic equally well - that has been my personnel experience anyway. Happy new year Rog - I hope my two cents worth has helped in some way... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis.E Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 - By the way Rog - make sure the scrubber is CLEAN before cleaning parts....DON'T do this straight after doing the dishes from Sunday roast... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Great subject Rog, Looking forward to see this build evolve. Cees 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful69 Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 - By the way Rog - make sure the scrubber is CLEAN before cleaning parts....DON'T do this straight after doing the dishes from Sunday roast... Thank you!!! ... both for the invaluable info and for immediately grabbing the spirit of this thread!! Detailed answers (that are self clarifying) are required ... not only for me ... but for beginners looking in ... Have been a little busy, both with the build and with other stuff, in the last 24-48 hours so no posting yet ... hopefully a summary by tomorrow evening! ... Rog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mikester Posted December 29, 2015 Members Share Posted December 29, 2015 Great subject, Rog! Would you mind if I moved this to the Large Scale Luftwaffe WIP section? This GB is scheduled to end tomorrow so I don't want this one to get lost in the shuffle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful69 Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 Great subject, Rog! Would you mind if I moved this to the Large Scale Luftwaffe WIP section? This GB is scheduled to end tomorrow so I don't want this one to get lost in the shuffle. Mike ... That's a great idea - In fact, you beat me to the punch! I've been quite i'll for the last few days and unable to do much of anything except clean the resin and some minor assemblies ... The rest of the time I've been laid up reading and watching crappy movies in bed. It's all been quite disappointing - While I still hope to get a lot done before going back to work on the 4th, there's no way I'll meet the deadline now ... Rats! Rog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis.E Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 ..You want crappy movies Rog??? Pop across the Tasman to the land of the long green cloud and check out the rubbish we have to contend with!! Mind you, it's given me a bit of time to spend on the now infamous Skyraider... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis.E Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 -I have just checked the large scale Luftwaffe WIP page...and you're not there Rog... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful69 Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 ..You want crappy movies Rog??? Pop across the Tasman to the land of the long green cloud and check out the rubbish we have to contend with!! Mind you, it's given me a bit of time to spend on the now infamous Skyraider... Most of mine are self inflicted - watching on the laptop. But there's not much else I've been able to do except upload photo's from my trip to the Philippines etc ... I've been feeling under the weather since Christmas Day ... I thought getting out and making a trip to the local hobby suppliers might perk me up a bit - but it just drained me instead. I'm sure I'll be back up and running in a day or so ... -I have just checked the large scale Luftwaffe WIP page...and you're not there Rog... That's ok ... Mike's a Mod - he'll organise for it to be switched when he has time. Rog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis.E Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 ..Get well soon mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Hi Rog, Any updates on this one? It won't glue itself together mind you. Keep at it. Cees 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful69 Posted March 6, 2016 Author Share Posted March 6, 2016 Hi Rog, Any updates on this one? It won't glue itself together mind you. Keep at it. Cees Lol Cees ... I've only just, in the last 2-3 weeks, dispensed with the tail end of Whooping Cough - they don't call it the "100 day cough" for nothing! ... It was more than annoying! Also, because I'm back at work now, I've had very little recreational time. The project has been nagging at the back of my mind quite regularly though ... I started to reorganise things around here yesterday ... So I think I'll be organising some preliminaries up to the Easter weekend and then immerse myself into it more fully during that. Rog 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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