Martinnfb Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Should be available tomorrow at E-Day 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HubertB Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Good for the aficionados ... looks really interesting. Me, I’m just eager to see the DC-3 coming out (« But in no hurry ! » interjects that pesky wallet ) Hubert 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ivanovich Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 I'm afraid I'll have to pass this one. If HpH came up with a "Kayra", "Emka" or "Deshka", then we'd be talking. Anyway, the resin looks like they nailed it. MiG-27K "Кайра": 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinnfb Posted September 27, 2018 Author Share Posted September 27, 2018 They based their choice of the subtype on what use to be in service with the Czechoslovak Air Force. I recall as I went somewhere with my Dad, detouring by the blocked highway, observing this....from a safe distance ... naturally 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ivanovich Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 From HpH's point of view it was a wise decision to tackle the BN. Just as you quite rightly said: operated by the CSFR and still a good many actual, more or less intact BN airframes only a stone's throw away from their doorstep. I'm 100% sure those who buy the HpH MiG-23BN "plug & play" conversion will enjoy building it, since the baseline MiG-23MF kit won't require any major plastic surgeries. Which is, in my view, great news. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted September 28, 2018 Administrators Share Posted September 28, 2018 This will be done. It’s what I’ve been waiting for to continue with my stalled Mug-23 project. I purposely put mine away when they announced this was in development. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted September 28, 2018 Administrators Share Posted September 28, 2018 This will, in one swoop, correct many of the base kit’s deficiencies. YES! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1to1scale Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 so I have heard that one of the biggest issues is that the landging gear sits in the fully extended position, and not under weight. Is HPH correcting the gear? Maybe if you use sac gear, it will sag on its own!?!? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinnfb Posted September 28, 2018 Author Share Posted September 28, 2018 There is so much wrong about Migs released by Trumpeter, that we can only wait for somebody else to pitch in. You guys pick one, 21, 29, 23,19 and will show you the mayhem of proportional disarray . Having said that , Mig-23 done right, depends on version, requires a lot more then just canopy and undercarriage . The list goes on and on. I believe Ivan was commenting on the subject in number of occasions with drawings etc. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Dnt forget their Mug 15....... Harv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted September 28, 2018 Administrators Share Posted September 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Martinnfb said: There is so much wrong about Migs released by Trumpeter, that we can only wait for somebody else to pitch in. You guys pick one, 21, 29, 23,19 and will show you the mayhem of proportional disarray . Having said that , Mig-23 done right, depends on version, requires a lot more then just canopy and undercarriage . The list goes on and on. I believe Ivan was commenting on the subject in number of occasions with drawings etc. Landing gear, nose, cockpit, seat, canopy, exhaust, wing anhedral, intakes, shoulders, panel lines, you name it, it needs it, it's a total rework, but with some plastic surgery, Zacto's goodies, resin nozzle, and the HPH set, it'll be darn close I think. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ivanovich Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Ernie's right. The HpH set is the best bet to turn the clusterf***ed Trumpeter kit into a fairly accurate rendition of an actual MiG-23. Even if it's one of the duckbills. The M/MF as well as the ML/MLD boxings are among the most seriously flawed kits ever released by Trumpeter. Period. However, it really depends on what you want: If you want a reasonably detailed kit that builds up quite nicely, looks "23ish" from 300ft away and you don't care about accuracy in general or you may want a plastic rendition of the 4+ drawings, go for it. But in case you want a kit that "looks right" in terms of shape and proportions, you might be in trouble. To properly fix any of the 32nd scale Trumpeter MiG-23 boxings you'd need at least an all-new fwd fuselage for the M/MF boxings, another all-new fwd fuselage for the ML/MLD kits, all-new transparencies (windshield and canopy) and a new rear fuselage. As is, the rear fuselage depicts too little taper at the top and too much taper at the bottom. All this given, the MLG (oleo and trailing link compression) will be the smallest problem. VVS MiG-23M: LSK/LV MiG-23MLA, 615kg/1355lbs lighter (empty): Just for fun - MiG-23 main landing gear origami: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 It’s not very pretty ...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinnfb Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 Correct, one of the ugliest out of all 23s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ivanovich Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 But not quite as MuGly as a MiG-23S. LSK/LV MiG-23BN porn: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ivanovich Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Is it just me or is the Delta-N fairing missing? Couldn't spot it in any of the available photographs... http://shop.hphmodels.cz/cs/chemie-a-doplnky/203-mig-23bn-conversion-set-for-trumpeter-kit.html Despite being a fairly small part, it's one of THE characteristic features making a BN a BN. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinnfb Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 Absolutely, good catch . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GusMac Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Could see a bit of scratch work with the front end of something like an AIM-7 being necessary to sort this. Does seem a strange oversight when it's so prominent. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ivanovich Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Indeed, it seems strange. Such a slip would be sorta atypical for HpH. There are only three instances where you'd find a BN without the Delta-NM fairing: derelict and incomplete museum exhibits. late Indian AF MiG-23BN (Delta-NM pod generally omitted) if the a/c was equipped with wing glove MBD3-U2T-1/-1M tandem ejector racks. The exception - "9139" with MBD3 racks, Delta-NM fairing removed: The rule - "9139" with Delta-NM fairing: Anyway, I PM'ed Mirek on "LSP/TOS" regarding this matter... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinnfb Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ivanovich Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 "Like duckbills to the slaughter..." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ivanovich Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Update: Mirek confirmed that the Delta-NM pod will not be included in the set. Those who are going to purchase this set might want to resort to scratchbuilding one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ivanovich Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Those toying with the idea of purchasing the HpH conversion might want to consider to add one of the Aires MiG-23 exhaust nozzle sets to their shopping list as well. The Aires nozzle sets (#2136 and #2146) are great assets to improve overall detailing and to correct one of the most glaring weak spots of the baseline Trumpeter MiG-23MF kit: afterburner duct and afterburner nozzle installation. The HpH conversion comes with an accurately reproduced MiG-23BN fixed nozzle shroud. Once installed, the BN shroud being shorter and wider than the original nozzle petal assembly. you might end up staring into a yawning void lacking pretty much any detail. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ivanovich Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Alright, let's do this... I was just in the neighbourhood, so I took the measurements from a BN on Saturday and drew up stuff in 2D. Next stop: 3D, SLA printing... (Affirmative. I couldn't resist any longer and ordered the HpH set...) (dashed line = wing glove leading edge) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinnfb Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 Man, this is so tempting..... must resist ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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