American trucks......my soft spot......

[Martinnfb]

TRUCK GROUP BUILD !!!!!   

WHEEEEEEEE !

[Jeff]

That would be different eh?

[Guest DannyVM]

33 minutes ago, HubertB said:

Oven-cleaner works a treat for removing chrome or paint. Just put the sprues in a plastic bag and spray oven cleaner. The variety containing caustic soda is more effective.

HTH

Hubert

PS: and if you have not tried them yet, the Molotov chrome pens produce amazing results.

Thank's Hubert for the feedback. Oven-cleaner, how could i forget that. 

I got the chrome pen's but still not used them. But i have also the Alclad chrome which i'm eager to use.

31 minutes ago, Jeff said:

Danny, it seems as though , here in Canada, that Cabovers are getting to be a very rare truck, most now her, at least are 'conventionals'  maybe partly because Cabovers a re a bitch to climb into if you are an old fat guy with a bad back, like most of the guys I know , and they don't seem to build them much anymore either... I did see a Freightliner Cabover like your kit here in Nelson last summer, but it was a VERY rare thing, and it was quite old but in beautiful shape... the owner probably 're-powered' her with more jam under the hood though..... so in answer to your question about Cabovers, not a regular thing here and yes mostly in the hands of collectors now.... here in B.C at least.... for the line trucks anyway....

When i saw these cab-over trucks i always thought by myself how in earth do they crawl into the cabin Now i have my answer.....

Do you know the normal color for a Cummings 250 engine jeff. According to the kit instructions it's not clear which color to use.

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Jeff]

All of the 250's /350's I've seen were kind of a cream color, like when you put a fair shot of milk in your coffee.....

[harv]

I remember back in the 80's, I built both the White and the kenworth.  I liked both kits......harv

[Jeff]

5 minutes ago, harv said:

I remember back in the 80's, I built both the White and the kenworth.  I liked both kits......harv

They were state of the art back then for sure..... I remember they were $20.00 each back in the '70's when I started with them, my first was  the Pete 359, and I recall it had a 8V71 Detroit, and regular spring suspension, and NOT the air bags in the NEW "retro' re-release kit of today.....

[Wumm]

In all seriousness though Danny,

It appears that there were a variety of Factory schemes available on the White/Freightliner COE of the timeframe, all named after US Cities.

These were Freightliner suggested schemes, but of course you could choose your own colours or schemes to suit your tastes and match the Business the Truck was hauling for... This also applied to chassis colours as well.

This still applies today. Here is a bright pink Conventional Cab they prepared for a Client, who specialise in Female Drivers.

When you're buying such an investment, money is no object. So it seems you are free to paint your DD any way you please.

S

[Martinnfb]

Guys anybody knows if there's a kit of 1960 Peterbuilt as such ?

 

[Wumm]

Martin, apparently you can use the AMT or Revell Peterbilt 359 kit with this needle-nose conversion to get to a 351.

https://aitruckmodels.com/product/peterbilt-351280-hood-conversion/

S

[Martinnfb]

Thank You Steve, that's exactly what I was after.

[krow113]

Into the Peterbuilt facility in Langley , B.C. at 2 am freehand layout and taping off of these flames on this wrecker . One of my best customers and a job I am proud of.

[IainMackayDall]

1 hour ago, Martinnfb said:

Guys anybody knows if there's a kit of 1960 Peterbuilt as such ?

 

Looks like it was from that early Spielberg movie "Duel"

[harv]

yeah, the movie Duel. Great flick........harv

[Guest DannyVM]

6 hours ago, Wumm said:

In all seriousness though Danny,

It appears that there were a variety of Factory schemes available on the White/Freightliner COE of the timeframe, all named after US Cities.

These were Freightliner suggested schemes, but of course you could choose your own colours or schemes to suit your tastes and match the Business the Truck was hauling for... This also applied to chassis colours as well.

This still applies today. My Wife works in the paint shop at Mack, here is a bright pink Conventional Cab they prepared for a Client, who specialise in Female Drivers.

When you're buying such an investment, money is no object. So it seems you are free to paint your DD any way you please.

S

Wow very nice mate, look's like i can go with any scheme. Thank's for this very interesting feedback.

4 hours ago, Martinnfb said:

Guys anybody knows if there's a kit of 1960 Peterbuilt as such ?

Good question Martin, i like also that Duel truck.

2 hours ago, IainMackayDall said:

Looks like it was from that early Spielberg movie "Duel"

Great movie. Here's clip from you tube of the duel truck still in existence today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_BOdddojzc

[HubertB]

4 hours ago, Martinnfb said:

Guys anybody knows if there's a kit of 1960 Peterbuilt as such ?

 

You can’t build the truck without the red car inches in front of it, Martin. Now what make was the car (for me poor European Ignoramus of American sedans of the 70s) ?

Hubert

[Guest DannyVM]

On 5/22/2020 at 5:38 PM, Jeff said:

All of the 250's /350's I've seen were kind of a cream color, like when you put a fair shot of milk in your coffee.....

Was a 250/350 engine the same in appearance Jeff? 

Where can i find good reference photo's of the engine?

[Guest DannyVM]

10 minutes ago, HubertB said:

You can’t build the truck without the red car inches in front of it, Martin. Now what make was the car (for me poor European Ignoramus of American sedans of the 70s) ?

Hubert

Would be a nice dio indeed Hubert.

[Jeff]

7 hours ago, DannyVM said:

Was a 250/350 engine the same in appearance Jeff? 

Where can i find good reference photo's of the engine?

Yes, virtually identical, the 250 was a small cam engine, and the 350 was a 'big cam' engine, exactly the same block and appearance, just some different guts to refine and improve torque and horsepower..... for a big truck it is all about the torque, horse are great and well needed, but torque is the master..... I will dig around and see what I can find for photo reference.... they made LOTS of them so pics should not be a problem.............. Also I don't believe a 250 had a turbo, and the 350 did.......... turbos made a HUGE difference, I had a 444 Cummins, that blew a turbo intake tube, so no air was getting to it, I had a load on, both truck and pup, and for all the good it was after that, I may as well have had a 4 cyl Volkswagen engine..LOL, or at least that's what it felt like............ once the intake hose was repaired all was good and I was back in the race......... so to speak..

[Jeff]

14 hours ago, Wumm said:

In all seriousness though Danny,

It appears that there were a variety of Factory schemes available on the White/Freightliner COE of the timeframe, all named after US Cities.

These were Freightliner suggested schemes, but of course you could choose your own colours or schemes to suit your tastes and match the Business the Truck was hauling for... This also applied to chassis colours as well.

This still applies today. My Wife works in the paint shop at Mack, here is a bright pink Conventional Cab they prepared for a Client, who specialise in Female Drivers.

When you're buying such an investment, money is no object. So it seems you are free to paint your DD any way you please.

S

we have the same thing here, a local trucking company , who is one of the very BEST around here specializing in lumber, chips and lowbed work and helps immensely with some charities, and is a great local neighbor has this beauty...

[Martinnfb]

8 hours ago, HubertB said:

You can’t build the truck without the red car inches in front of it, Martin. Now what make was the car (for me poor European Ignoramus of American sedans of the 70s) ?

Hubert

Was playing with the idea of both of them falling off the cliff. I believe it was Valiant, my ex use to have one in white.

[Guest DannyVM]

57 minutes ago, Jeff said:

Yes, virtually identical, the 250 was a small cam engine, and the 350 was a 'big cam' engine, exactly the same block and appearance, just some different guts to refine and improve torque and horsepower..... for a big truck it is all about the torque, horse are great and well needed, but torque is the master..... I will dig around and see what I can find for photo reference.... they made LOTS of them so pics should not be a problem.............. Also I don't believe a 250 had a turbo, and the 350 did.......... turbos made a HUGE difference, I had a 444 Cummins, that blew a turbo intake tube, so no air was getting to it, I had a load on, both truck and pup, and for all the good it was after that, I may as well have had a 4 cyl Volkswagen engine..LOL, or at least that's what it felt like............ once the intake hose was repaired all was good and I was back in the race......... so to speak..

So if i understand correctly, the 350 was used for heavy loads and long distances, whether the 250 was used for the smaller loads and short distance?? Was de 250 used also in the DD cab-over Freightliner??

[Guest DannyVM]

So i made a start with the engine of the AMT Freightliner kit. Now, for a kit designed in the 70's/80's i'll find the detail fairly good. Just allot's of flash around the part's but hey, it's modeling, so some more cleaning work but still, this is fun.

Like i said, i started the engine, this should be a 250 Cummings engine. I'm a complete noob so bare with me guy's and tell me if i get something wrong.

I left the exhaust and the radiator fan of the engine for painting purposes.

Some sink-marks but these are taking care of.

And then, the chrome part's. I'm really struggling with these at the moment.

I've search for some tip's regarding remove chrome from plastic part's, and found some very interesting tip's. I've used so far, bleach gel, Toilet cleaner, oven-cleaner and rim cleaner...............none of them did the job.......so what else can i use????????

[Jeff]

Yeah , that is the 250, no turbo....... 350 had a turbo.....  well the answer to the 250 for small loads and short distance was yes and no.... it is kind of an evolution , back in the day when my dad was driving the International KB 8 tandems, they were what we called "Gas Pots" , gas engines, low power no engine retarders no hold back on a hill... then came the new technology of Diesel engines, and they all started out small, so yes, in the beginning the 250 was for the Line Trucks, and that was a game changer...... but as loads got larger the need for bigger engines increased, thus they ( Cummins )  put a 'Big Cam' in the block added a turbo Charger and voila, a 350 was born............ if a guy could haul MORE and Faster, that was the way to go, then the under or lower powered trucks were relegated to shorter runs and smaller loads..... we have HUGE mountain passes here and the trucks needed the power to pull the hills.......... today some companies won't even consider hiring a truck if it has LESS than 500 horses, but also today they are hauling loads that those old trucks could never lift..... so it is evolution..... so the answer to your second question if the 250 was used in a tandem,  (DD) yes it was, but as mentioned, not for many years as the evolution to bigger power was all the rage.... gone are the days when a truck would grind up the mountain passes at a walking pace holding up miles of cars behind him..... some still do but not for very long, today it is all about BIG power, high torque, fuel economy and exhaust emissions.................. which breads a whole new technology.....

Back in the day it was Cummins, Detroit, and Cat engines were the big ones here...............

[Jeff]

Try brake fluid to take the chrome off, that works for me....

[Guest DannyVM]

1 hour ago, Jeff said:

Yeah , that is the 250, no turbo....... 350 had a turbo.....  well the answer to the 250 for small loads and short distance was yes and no.... it is kind of an evolution , back in the day when my dad was driving the International KB 8 tandems, they were what we called "Gas Pots" , gas engines, low power no engine retarders no hold back on a hill... then came the new technology of Diesel engines, and they all started out small, so yes, in the beginning the 250 was for the Line Trucks, and that was a game changer...... but as loads got larger the need for bigger engines increased, thus they ( Cummins )  put a 'Big Cam' in the block added a turbo Charger and voila, a 350 was born............ if a guy could haul MORE and Faster, that was the way to go, then the under or lower powered trucks were relegated to shorter runs and smaller loads..... we have HUGE mountain passes here and the trucks needed the power to pull the hills.......... today some companies won't even consider hiring a truck if it has LESS than 500 horses, but also today they are hauling loads that those old trucks could never lift..... so it is evolution..... so the answer to your second question if the 250 was used in a tandem,  (DD) yes it was, but as mentioned, not for many years as the evolution to bigger power was all the rage.... gone are the days when a truck would grind up the mountain passes at a walking pace holding up miles of cars behind him..... some still do but not for very long, today it is all about BIG power, high torque, fuel economy and exhaust emissions.................. which breads a whole new technology.....

Back in the day it was Cummins, Detroit, and Cat engines were the big ones here...............

Thank's allot for this very clear info Jeff. This info answers most of my questions in great order regarding the engine. Now maybe a silly question regarding the 250 number.....is that the horsepower the engine had??

1 hour ago, Jeff said:

Try brake fluid to take the chrome off, that works for me....

Will get me a bottle tomorrow. I work for a Automotive constructor so brake fluid enough to use.