Wingco57 Posted September 29, 2019 Author Share Posted September 29, 2019 One side is done. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Much respect !!.......harv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giorgio_man Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Dear Cees I am converting a Beaufighter mk1F Revell 1/32 into a merlin powered IIF. Obviously the main problem is represented by the nacelles... I was considering different alternatives (classical wood molding and vacuforming, or 3d printing) and all in all I think that the outer nacelles of HK Models Lancaster could provide a useful - and immediate - starting basis for the conversion. Now, I see that you are turning a Lancaster into a Manchester. I was wondering whether you may be glad to sell the remaining outer nacelles (plus propellers and spinners). Thank you so much for your kind attention and help. All the best Giorgio Mancinelli 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 Hi Giorgio, I think I may help you on that. I have applied a final coat of clear on the topdecking underneath the canopy, which can then be fitted later tomorrow. Masking it has been completed. Cees 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 The canopy is on. Cheers Cees 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Awesome Cees, I just love your work and challenging projects. I cant imaging there will be many people do what you have done with their HK Lanc's. Keep up the great work 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody37 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Loving your progress Cees, 'bout time I log in and show my appreciation here Cheers Neil 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 @Anthony, thanks and this is not a standard HKM Lancaster but the 3D-printed prototype devoid of any detail. @Neil, good to see you here again mate and now get those modelling juices flowing again. Glad that the canopy is on now, some more blending in into the surrounding area and then the FN-5 turret is next. Getting there. Cheers Cees 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 Well I am happy the canopy has been fitted neatly. the sides will need to be blended in with mr surfacer. The open areas not covered by the DN Models masks have been filled in with tape. the FN-5 turret is almost complete bar some details and the drilling out of the lightening hole in the trunnionstays. The early turrets were predominantly aluminium so this one will be too. What luxury having so many spares at hand. Cheers Cees 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidd88 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) I think you might want to research the ammunition feeds on the FN5a turret, they look very odd to me. On the FN5 turret (taller one without the "waisted" rear, as fitted to Wellingtons) the feed curves upwards from the horizontal, initially, from the tanks, then twists though 90 degrees. Rather than exiting the tanks vertically before curving to the horizontal and then twisting. If you take a look at my thread on FN5 turrets you'll see the correct structure, although the Manchester probably didn't have the rectangular slots in the outer face which were a squadron adaption. If you like, I can adapt the CAD drawing for mine (to thicken the material) and let you have an .stl file that could then be printed... Edited: This is the clearest shot I can find of an FN5a from a Lancaster, which I think demonstrates the correct curvatures of the ammunition feeds. Looking at the FN50 (Lancaster mid-upper), the feeds are likewise horizontal initially climbing and twisting progressively as they approach the guns. I cannot - so far - find any Frazer Nash turret with the feeds as supplied with your turret model. Looks like a manufacturing error. I hope this helps. Edited October 11, 2019 by Fidd88 addition of picture 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giorgio_man Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Ciao Ces let me know how we can arrange with the Lancaster nacelles... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidd88 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Wingco57, I've done a "fast and dirty" rework the CAD drawing of chutes I know to be correct for the FN5, and as far as I can tell they're correct for the FN5a as fitted to your Manchester. The rework has consisted of making them much "thicker" in terms of the material so it has half a chance of being printable in Nylon at your scale. Or you can just use them for reference to scratch-build by other means, if indeed you wish to. Rescaling them to match the scale of your model is a moments work. What would help in this regard is to know what the height of them is, using the top of the ammunition tanks as the bottom reference, and the top of the chute as the other. I can then rescale it, so they will definitely appear the correct size to yours. As I often am submitting stuff for printing, I could 6 or so of these and just pop them in the post - if you wish. Please don't feel compelled to do so! Anyway, here's a picture of the thickened chutes left and right-handed, I figure you might need 3 or so pairs, assuming the front and mid-upper turrets have the same problem, plus a couple spare. If memory serves, the Manchester has an FN4 or FN4a In the rear, and I'm not familiar with the chutes in that turret. Drop me a pm if you're interested in having these done? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 Thanks for the info Fidd, I will use your image as seen in the previous post to scratchbuild some new chutes as I am aware that the ones in the kit are not accurate. Mind you I will only make it a representation as I tend to not lose much sleep over such a thing. Cheers Cees 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 On 10/11/2019 at 5:28 PM, giorgio_man said: Ciao Ces let me know how we can arrange with the Lancaster nacelles... Hi Giorgio, I checked to see if I had a set of Lanc cowlings left but it seems that I gave both of them away some time ago. I have none remaining. Sorry. Cees 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidd88 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 LOL. What an idjit I am, I've only just noticed that the one fitted to the lanc above are different to mine, in that the open edge of the feed is on the outboard edge towards the top, which has completely weirded me out. This would mean the rounds were not visible to the gunner as viewed from his seat, and in turn would make it much much harder to feed the rounds from the tanks to the guns when initially loading. This has me completely foxed now. I took the design of mine from an RAF instructional film. I'll look into this further and get back to you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidd88 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Sorry about the confusion, Okay, what I think we're looking at in the lanc pic above is a later iteration, and I think it looks like this, possibly with short joining stretches to keep the runs parallel and correctly spaced. Without getting a good look at the actual turret I can't be sure, but knowing how the guns have their belts drawn up the chutes with the arming wire, it's hard to see how this could be achieved without the side facing the gunner being open to view. Again I've thickened the chutes to make them printable. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giorgio_man Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 On 10/14/2019 at 1:44 PM, Fidd88 said: LOL. What an idjit I am, I've only just noticed that the one fitted to the lanc above are different to mine, in that the open edge of the feed is on the outboard edge towards the top, which has completely weirded me out. This would mean the rounds were not visible to the gunner as viewed from his seat, and in turn would make it much much harder to feed the rounds from the tanks to the guns when initially loading. This has me completely foxed now. I took the design of mine from an RAF instructional film. I'll look into this further and get back to you. On 10/14/2019 at 8:22 AM, Wingco57 said: Hi Giorgio, I checked to see if I had a set of Lanc cowlings left but it seems that I gave both of them away some time ago. I have none remaining. Sorry. Cees Ciao Cees, ok no problem thanks a lot Giorgio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 Drilling out holes costs a little effort but has great effect. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 And I have decided not to bother regarding the chutes. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GusMac Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Seems like a good choice Cees as they'll be pretty hard to spot once everything is painted up. Drilling everything out looks great as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 The detail out of the box is quite nice, as is the cupola. I wont’t change much so this can be painted soon. Cees 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Cees, the small refined details have made a big improvement to my eyes. Will look brilliant all painted up....keep up the great work 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 Thanks Anthony, One problem that rears it's head sometimes is that I am working with a 3D printed prototype and using production injection moulded parts. It seems like the position where the noseturet needs to go sits is a bit higher than the kit which makes that the fairing between the turret and the fuselage doesn't fit. The acorn is a bit too high as a result of this. I cannot adjust the turret and only a limited amount of the turret seat can be adjusted so have to find a way to modify the acorn to conform to the top of the turret. But that's part of the fun. Cees 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 12 hours ago, Wingco57 said: But that's part of the fun. Cees Atta boy! I understand what you are saying. But a great model never happened easily. And this is going to be a GREAT model when finished. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airscale Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 drool.... I am in love with this build Cees - it's going to look so different from anything else See you at Telford my friend Peter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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