Everything Ukraine group build.

[Martinnfb]

[HubertB]

I just have plenty of ICM, Roden Micro Mir or Dora Wings kits in my stash, not to mention Reskit or Rexx AM.

What I am missing most is the time for ANY build …

Pondering this through.

Hubert

[Clunkmeister]

7 hours ago, HubertB said:

I just have plenty of ICM, Roden Micro Mir or Dora Wings kits in my stash, not to mention Reskit or Rexx AM.

What I am missing most is the time for ANY build …

Pondering this through.

Hubert

Just build something Hubert. Anything. 
 

I’m waiting on a GWH MiG-29 Fulcrum C and a GWH SU-27UB Flanker.  I have Ukrainian decals for both.  Plus I ordered Ukrainian colors from Linden Hill.  He carries AKAN, which I think may be a Russian brand, but if there are genuine correct Ukrainian shades, I’ll do it. 
Also some 3D instrument panels for them, plus a resin set for the Fulcrum consisting of nozzles and wheels along with a metal pitot already. 
I’m not used to building in 48, but a Flanker is ridiculously huge in 1/32, although the Fulcrum isn’t much bigger than an F-16

[Clunkmeister]

Just remember folks, a lot of our favorite manufacturers are Ukrainian Companies.  Depending on how long the war criminals keep this up, we may lose a lot or even all of our friends who own and operate the great Companies.

MiniArt, Modelsvit, Amodel, ICM, Proper Plane, Roden, the list goes on….

[Martinnfb]

I just ordered Foxbot mask and decals for Su-27, directly from Kiev, sending an additional message, just a gesture. Those things might never arrive, nevertheless , let us not forget that Russian people do not necessarily represent the Russian government and it's actions, further more a majority of them suffers in one way or another, because of their government.

 

[GazzaS]

I have a Roden Albatros D.III OAW.  I can build this without having to have Swastikas in it.     I was finding it difficult to reconcile the two.

[belugawhaleman]

I have a Miniart 1/35 Triebflügel .Would that do?

[DocRob]

12 hours ago, BlrwestSiR said:

Rob, I'm in very much the same position as yourself. I've got the Lancaster and B-24 on the bench so definitely don't have room for another build. Plus the only applicable kits I have are by Ukrainian companies. So if I do join in, it would be the MikroMir Fokker E.V

...and that from the man, who once had SEVEN P-40's on the bench, along some other projects, I think you chicken out Carl .
You'll love the MikroMir Fokker. I built it last year and it was one of the most satisfying builds ever. The kit isn't perfect and the build is demanding but rewarding all the same.

Cheers Rob

[DocRob]

3 hours ago, Martinnfb said:

I just ordered Foxbot mask and decals for Su-27, directly from Kiev, sending an additional message, just a gesture. Those things might never arrive, nevertheless , let us not forget that Russian people do not necessarily represent the Russian government and it's actions, further more a majority of them suffers in one way or another, because of their government.

I ordered my Kelik IP for the Gladiator three weeks ago, when there was (relative) peace in Ukraine and received it yesterday with the war ongoing. Strange times, where it feels harder and harder to concentrate on trivial things like modelling.

Cheers Rob

[BlrwestSiR]

3 hours ago, DocRob said:

...and that from the man, who once had SEVEN P-40's on the bench, along some other projects, I think

That wasn't me. I know my limits. The most I did was four Spitfires at once.

 

[DocRob]

1 hour ago, BlrwestSiR said:

That wasn't me. I know my limits. The most I did was four Spitfires at once.

Sorry, I got that wrong, Carl, four Spitfires, phew...

Cheers Rob

[Clunkmeister]

What's amazing is how people suddenly look and realize actually how much of what we buy and take for granted are actually Ukrainian kits. Not Russian, but Ukrainian.

Eastern Europe has been coming along huge in kit development and marketing, easily exceeding China in the level of quality they produce.

[npb748r]

I wasn't sure I should post this but decided I should.

I guess the events in Ukraine have been obvious to all of us. I got really excited about joining this group build, building my already in the stash Mig 29 in Ukrainian colours. I rarely post pictures of my models and felt this would be a good thing to do to show I support the Ukrainians. Over the past few months I've been looking at the announcements of new kits coming out this year including those from Ukrainian producers, planning what I will buy.

I spent time tonight properly looking the news including the refugees heading over the boarder from Ukraine into Poland and other countries. I'm retired and live on a pension, I have a limited budget of £100 a month to spend on hobby interests. Watching the news tonight, which has not been that different to other nights over the past week or so since the awful and unfathomable declaration of war by the Russian leaders made me sit back and rethink what I was doing. I now wont be joining this group build and plan instead to stop spending my money for the foreseeable future on my hobbies and will spend my hobby money on the items being asked for by those supporting the refugees on the front line, basic hygiene and first aid supplies. I'm not saying anyone else should do the same or that I'm doing the right thing, it just felt right to say what I planned to now do.

[HubertB]

Both are actually not incompatible. Most of us have a stash, and probably all the supplies needed to go through a big portion of the said stash. So no need to spend more on modelling to participate in the GB.

Anyway, I salute your generous decision

Hubert

[Clunkmeister]

I like and and appreciate your social conscience, however like Hubert says, the two are not socially incompatible.

Truth be known, I struggled with the idea of this GB for a bit, before I ran it by the other fellow staff members.  I thought that the idea might be seen as a bit rash, etc, but surprisingly, the others were all for it.  Also a couple Members had previously approached me about this, which is what got the juices flowing. 
 

Personally, I think the idea of showcasing Ukrainian stuff is worthwhile. Whether they be Ukrainian produced kits (it’s amazing how many manufacturers we take for granted ARE Ukrainian), or showing Ukrainian colors on other available kits.

This isn’t a political statement insomuch as it’s a personal statement of outrage. We build. We’re good at it. We have a stash, so use it.   If we feel so strongly that our resources could do greater good supporting the Ukrainian war effort, possibly selling our stashes and our luxuries to raise money for donation would be a better idea?   Heck, liquidating Hubert’s stash alone would probably finance a complete MiG-29.

[HubertB]

1 hour ago, Clunkmeister said:

I like and and appreciate your social conscience, however like Hubert says, the two are not socially incompatible.

Truth be known, I struggled with the idea of this GB for a bit, before I ran it by the other fellow staff members.  I thought that the idea might be seen as a bit rash, etc, but surprisingly, the others were all for it.  Also a couple Members had previously approached me about this, which is what got the juices flowing. 
 

Personally, I think the idea of showcasing Ukrainian stuff is worthwhile. Whether they be Ukrainian produced kits (it’s amazing how many manufacturers we take for granted ARE Ukrainian), or showing Ukrainian colors on other available kits.

This isn’t a political statement insomuch as it’s a personal statement of outrage. We build. We’re good at it. We have a stash, so use it.   If we feel so strongly that our resources could do greater good supporting the Ukrainian war effort, possibly selling our stashes and our luxuries to raise money for donation would be a better idea?   Heck, liquidating Hubert’s stash alone would probably finance a complete MiG-29.

I’d have said a squadron, at least, Ernie, plus a tank brigade😁 !

May I be nitpicking and encourage you to change the title of the GB and the banner announcing it to reflect the latest rule ?

Right now, my stash is a rickety pile of filmed boxes on a palet in the garage, following the move. I’ll go past my fear that everything crumbles if I touch it, and see if I can select a box that fits the bill. However, between finishing settling in a new house, going on a planned vacation in the Carribeans, and starting and following the build of a new house, and my habitual procrastination and AMS tendency, I am still doubtful I can free enough time for it 😉. Still worth kicking my a#$ around, though, because there is no worthier cause right now than supporting the people of Ukraine against an loathsome agression.

Hubert

 

 

[Clunkmeister]

Hubert, I’m working on it. Trying to figure out how to do it.   🤣

[Martinnfb]

Permanent marker ? 😇

[GazzaS]

Personally, to reflect my outrage, I'd rather take one of my t-72 kits, build it as a burnt out Russian vehicle supplanted by a Ukrainian flag, than to build a Ukrainian built kit sporting German markings.

[Martinnfb]

Second that. In matter of fact, I am gonna do it anyway. GAZ Tiger is on it's way already. Hopefully to be ready for the local fall show.

[HubertB]

I think I have found a subject that fits the bill:

1) it’s from an Ukrainian manufacturer

2) as I did not feel like going for a foreign (read non-Ukrainian) markings subject, and wanted to avoid the AMS lock that goes very often with building an aircraft, it had to be something else than an aircraft.

3) it’s a civilian subject, and that is in line with my own obsessions.

So I found this, from Miniart. It looks like the historic trams you could see in most Central and Eastern Europe, and from some pics I looked at, like some old trams in Ukrainian cities. And, even if not prototypical, I will paint it blue and yellow.

Hubert

 

[Martinnfb]

That should look stunning once done. Great choice. 

[Wingco57]

Not in favour of this. The line is very very thin.

My opinion of course.

Cheers

Cees🙂

[HubertB]

45 minutes ago, Wingco57 said:

Not in favour of this. The line is very very thin.

My opinion of course.

Cheers

Cees🙂

In general, I would agree with you, Cees. Going for a GB that is literally coincident with a "hot" conflict is most of the time calling for trouble and political statements that should be avoided on a modelling forum.

But, a lot of GB here or elsewhere have a conflict for subject, whether the conflict is 100+ years old or was only a few decades before. Pretending to avoid a GB that is triggered by a conflict seems somewhat illogical in this light. The only difference is the "hot" vs "cold" in this instance ...

But, above all, we have here a country that is being dragged into an all-out war by an agressive neigbour, on spurious arguments moreover. Not everything was perfect in Ukraine in the last 30 years, especially a latent corruption that does not fit with the values of their European counterparts, and some behaviours from Ukrainians in WWII deserve scrutiny (although one could argue they were more on a revenge against the exactions of Soviet Union that killed millions of them in the 30s). They were however on a track to improve, and one would be hard-pressed to argue they wanted this war. Siding with Ukraine is a no-brainer for the vast majority of the people of the world, and for Europeans, it is also about defending values we have tried to promote for 70 years.

Which is why I - but that is just my humble opinion - they deserve all the support, physical or symbolical, we can bring them. Besides our actions as citizens, a GB that puts forward the Ukrainian products and armies in these times should be just taken for what it is : a symbolic show of support to a suffering people, doing what we know to do best ...

Just my

Hubert

[Clunkmeister]

On 3/3/2022 at 2:06 PM, DocRob said:

If I'm participating in the GB, it will not be with an 'involved' subject. I like to support the Ukrainian people and kit producers, if I take part.
I have to check first, if I can realistically participate, because I've just started a wooden ship build and have to see, if there is enough space and willpower for a parallel build.
The other thing is, that my absolutely first group build, I participated in was never officially ended. Not because there were no finished models, but because of lack of administration. That was the D-Day group build here.
If I'm in, it will be ICM's Gladiator MK.I in silver dope finish (shiver, flat rigging ) along with some goodies like the Kelik IP, which is a co brand of the Ukrainian company Res Kit.

Cheers Rob

Rob, one thing I made clear on this from the beginning is that this build will have a definite start and finish date. The finish date is set at 120 days from the start, with, given enough interest, a possible extension for 60 more days, which will give people a full 6 months.  I wanted a firm End Date to give some sense of Regimental order to the entire thing.  That is absolutely needed when operating one of these.  
A full six months, if warranted, should give people plenty of time to make some sort of valiant effort to finish.  
Now that I know how, I’m going to set up a showcase RFI for this build  

At the conclusion of this, a random name will be drawn from all those who have completed builds.  The only exception will be me. As with the other stuff, I won’t make myself eligible to avoid feelings of impropriety. 
However, other than helping me moderate, all other Staff Members will be eligible simply because they’re not doing the draw, my wife is. 😁

Good luck to all, let’s see some cool completed models, and I’m cutting plastic today.  Fun.