DocRob Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 5:34 PM, HubertB said: Fantastic ! Obrigado Hubert. ...meanwhile I applied the Lozenge decals to the fuselage. They are from Aviattic and a dream to work with. They lay down perfectly with only some water with a drop of dish cleaner. The key is the preparation, in my case with a primer coat of Tamiya X-2 gloss white. Awiattic decals are not cookie cut, so you have to do the cutting by yourself. No problem here, as the general fit of the print is very good. I decided to apply Lozenge on the inside of the wheels and the typical stripes only on the outside. The stripes were the first of the Pheon decals and received some Set and Sol to conform. I punched out a circle for the axis before applying and now it's drying time. Cheers Rob 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlrwestSiR Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Wow, they look painted on. I'm always impressed by folks who can get decals to behave. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaireckstadt Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 hours ago, DocRob said: Obrigado Hubert. ...meanwhile I applied the Lozenge decals to the fuselage. They are from Aviattic and a dream to work with. They lay down perfectly with only some water with a drop of dish cleaner. The key is the preparation, in my case with a primer coat of Tamiya X-2 gloss white. Awiattic decals are not cookie cut, so you have to do the cutting by yourself. No problem here, as the general fit of the print is very good. I decided to apply Lozenge on the inside of the wheels and the typical stripes only on the outside. The stripes were the first of the Pheon decals and received some Set and Sol to conform. I punched out a circle for the axis before applying and now it's drying time. Cheers Rob The lozenge decals really look as if painted on. I have them also in my stash for my D VII. Lucky that I’ve bought them! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Excellent, Rob! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 16 hours ago, BlrwestSiR said: Wow, they look painted on. I'm always impressed by folks who can get decals to behave. 14 hours ago, Kaireckstadt said: The lozenge decals really look as if painted on. I have them also in my stash for my D VII. Lucky that I’ve bought them! 12 hours ago, GazzaS said: Excellent, Rob! Muchas Gracias Señhores, normally decaling is pure horror to me, as I always have various issues while doing it. With the Aviattic decals this has changed, they behave well in every aspect. They lay down perfectly, conform well, they are robust and don't fold over easily. I have no idea about silvering, as they cover the whole thing . You don't need any solvents, just lukewarm water and a drop of soap and of course a well prepared base layer. I have several sets for other WWI projects and am considering to even use a full decal linen cover on my Taube and Fokker Eindecker. Cheers Rob 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 A little bit of black spraying today. In case of the cowling, a lot of masking was necessary to make the two black strips according to the Pheon manual. Changing from gloss black to matte, I sprayed the Gaspatch 08/15 with very thinned colour, as a base for metal pigments and highlights. The small 08/15 on the right are also from Gaspatch and will be used on the 1/72 Fokker E.V. Next was decaling the tail wing and the sides of the fuselage, where the lightnings overlay the today applied decals in the next step partly. Were there were holes in the fuselage cloth for the steering wires, I applied lozenge patches. The decal for the nose 'star' fitted very well and was slipped on the pre painted cowl without problems. The decals for the tail wing stripes, were a big wide. I will try to trim the overhangs with a razor blade, when dried. The lightning on the back of the fuselage was a little to big. Luckily I read about that issue before and made scalpel cuts in the two angles of the lightning and was able to slide the pieces into fitting shape. This is a sexy looking bird with these cool tailfeathers and cowling. There is not much camouflaging left with that black and white stripes. Cheers Rob 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 You can’t say they didn’t like their fancy liveries, looking good Rob...... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 17 minutes ago, Bomber_County said: You can’t say they didn’t like their fancy liveries, looking good Rob...... If it was brown, green or grey, it was British, if it looked like a parrot in a LSD dream, definitely German . Actually, that's what I like about them. Cheers Rob P.S. I have seen these weird schemes on Felixstowes 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaireckstadt Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 15 hours ago, DocRob said: A little bit of black spraying today. In case of the cowling, a lot of masking was necessary to make the two black strips according to the Pheon manual. Changing from gloss black to matte, I sprayed the Gaspatch 08/15 with very thinned colour, as a base for metal pigments and highlights. The small 08/15 on the right are also from Gaspatch and will be used on the 1/72 Fokker E.V. Next was decaling the tail wing and the sides of the fuselage, where the lightnings overlay the today applied decals in the next step partly. Were there were holes in the fuselage cloth for the steering wires, I applied lozenge patches. The decal for the nose 'star' fitted very well and was slipped on the pre painted cowl without problems. The decals for the tail wing stripes, were a big wide. I will try to trim the overhangs with a razor blade, when dried. The lightning on the back of the fuselage was a little to big. Luckily I read about that issue before and made scalpel cuts in the two angles of the lightning and was able to slide the pieces into fitting shape. This is a sexy looking bird with these cool tailfeathers and cowling. There is not much camouflaging left with that black and white stripes. Cheers Rob This will be a stunning livery Rob! A real eyecatcher! Can’t wait to see it finished! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 Thanks Kai, the airmen must have had a lot of spare time, to paint all that bright colour schemes onto their birds. Cheers Rob 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 Today, the last fuselage decals, the lightnings were added, among some PE for the Oil gauge and oil tank caps. Afterwards the whole fuselage got a Pledge gloss varnish to seal the decals. Then it was time for the wings. I masked sections on the upper and underside and used a saw brush and an old stiff brush to cautiously brush on the colour in the direction of the airflow. I made thin layers with some drying time in between. The colour was spread on some plastic and only the top of the bristles were dapped in. I used exclusively Scale 75 colours, because they dry fast and absolutely matte and have a good opacity. Afterwards I sealed the camo under a coat of Pledge and when dry, I will decide about further treatments with oils or filtering. Cheers Rob 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaireckstadt Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 25 minutes ago, DocRob said: Today, the last fuselage decals, the lightnings were added, among some PE for the Oil gauge and oil tank caps. Afterwards the whole fuselage got a Pledge gloss varnish to seal the decals. Then it was time for the wings. I masked sections on the upper and underside and used a saw brush and an old stiff brush to cautiously brush on the colour in the direction of the airflow. I made thin layers with some drying time in between. The colour was spread on some plastic and only the top of the bristles were dapped in. I used exclusively Scale 75 colours, because they dry fast and absolutely matte and have a good opacity. Afterwards I sealed the camo under a coat of Pledge and when dry, I will decide about further treatments with oils or filtering. Cheers Rob Interesting technique Rob! Haven’t heard about the colors you used before. Looks really good. Looking forward to seeing the progress! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Looking good, Rob. Gonna be a stand-out! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlrwestSiR Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Looks fantastic Rob. Keep it up! Carl 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted February 6, 2021 Author Share Posted February 6, 2021 8 hours ago, BlrwestSiR said: Looks fantastic Rob. Keep it up! 13 hours ago, GazzaS said: Looking good, Rob. Gonna be a stand-out! 15 hours ago, Kaireckstadt said: Interesting technique Rob! Haven’t heard about the colors you used before. Looks really good. Looking forward to seeing the progress! Thank you Gentlemen, even if I will fail to finish this build in a decent way, it will be a standout for sure. This is by far the brightest spot in my shelf and I will need sunglasses for the final assembly . @Kai: Scale 75 is a Spanish company which started with white metal figures in 75 scale and the matching acrylic colours. The colours are a bit delicate to use. They are difficult to thin down and heavily pigmented and therefore, I never use them in the airbrush. The benefit of these colours lay in their absolutely matte finish, fast drying time, their great ability to cover and their brightness, which makes them ideal for brushpainting figures. Cheers Rob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted February 6, 2021 Author Share Posted February 6, 2021 Progress is slowly at the moment, caused by lots of test fitting for spars, engine, cowling and wheelstruts and drying time as well. I glued the PE engine hatch under the fuselage and added my self made spars for stabilization into the front of the fuselage and added the PE firewall. Parallel I glued another self made spar into the cowling after installing the engine. All is secured with CA. Then I made the last bendings on the undercarriage struts and test fitted them with the small axle-wing, so far so good. The wings got a blending oil colour treatment with black or dark brownish black oil colour and fast drying turpentine, to thin them considerably. The mix was applied with a saw brush and then worked in, in the direction of the airflow. I'm really satisfied with the outcome, as the streaking blended better now and the colours match closer to the lozenge and fuselage olive tone. Cheers Rob 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Rob, when you say 'oils' are they the standard 'artists oils? I have some of them in my stash,................or is it something 'special'?? Can artist oils be used? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted February 6, 2021 Author Share Posted February 6, 2021 51 minutes ago, Jeff said: Rob, when you say 'oils' are they the standard 'artists oils? I have some of them in my stash,................or is it something 'special'?? Can artist oils be used? I use only oil colours from Abteilung 502, because I have no others. I can't tell, if there is a difference between them and other oil colours. Generally spoken, for a long time my oil colours wer rarely used, because of their relatively long drying time. Since a while, I start to use them more and more and they are just great and very versatile. Woodgraining, figure painting, using them as a wash, streaking, using them as a filter,... The technique used is quite different from other techniques, but well worth a try. Cheers Rob 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Thanks Rob, I will take that under advisement... and do some research.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 Today, disaster struck, at least momentarily. I don't know what it is, with me and decals? There seem to be a bad surprise with them, with the only exception of the Aviattic made. I wanted to respray parts of the engine hatch on the lower side of the fuselage and masked with ten times detacked tape on the triple sealed decals for protection, while adjusting the tape, I realized to my horror, that all the decals on the fuselage side lifted and broke together. Somehow I was able to rescue them from the near non stick tape and put them in place again. It seems, I have to seal them even more, as I want to use a dirt clay wash on them, without ripping all the decals away. Beside this, I managed only to apply the crosses on the gloss coated wings and prepared and painted parts for the small 1/72 Fokker E.V. And now it is,... ... are you ready for some football?... It's Superbowl time with pulled pork burgers and homemade cole slaw . Cheers Rob 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HubertB Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Good to see you saved the decals Rob. It certainly would have been a bummer after all the hard work you put into it. Hubert 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 I'm glad you were able to save the decals, Rob. For me... I will never, ever mask over decals. If you want to lift a bad decal, it will fight tenaciously to remain in place. But if you take all possible masking precautions, they will jump off the model as if it were about to explode. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krow113 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 lol teeth on edge time good save! perhaps a little high end white glue in the decal solution could help adhesion 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlrwestSiR Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Wow, good save. Not sure if it would work but Tamiya make a brush on decal adhesive. I have a couple bottles of it, one even has decal softener in it. Carl 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HubertB Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 3M sell a repositionable glue (the one for Post-it) in a spray can. Maybe worth experimenting with thin paper ? It can be found in stationery and art stores (maybe not on your island, though, Rob) (Me, it’s a long time since I reached the masking/painting stage on a kit so I haven’t tried this idea myself ) Hubert 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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