Martinnfb Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Thank you for your test results, Peter! Will come in handy. Hopefully Eduard will have stencils covered for all of the major types. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinM Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Looking forward to the pics Peter so your thoughts on a NM finish or were these panels NM?I think you said you do not like to gloss NM in the pass? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 Thanks Martin, pics a bit later today Keep 'em comin Peter 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 Thanks Gaz I was a bit surprised at the test results and now am wishing Eduard starts making stencils with the carrier film on top as separate sheets for purchase. Keep 'em comin Peter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 Thanks Kev I wasn't able to lift the carrier film off any of the NMF panels where I used both Set and Sol. The one NMF panel where I applied the decal without Set or Sol, just soft water, no issues in removing the decal film. On all the NMF panels with the decal film still in place, you could see the carrier film at all. I never seal over overcoat my NMF at any stage for fear of losing the metallic finish - being doing this since day one. Pics a bit later today. Keep 'em comin Peter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 THE FINAL RESULTS The test results and images are in with my final thoughts Looking at the NMF test on both AK and Alclad Aluminum, using both Micro Set and Sol as normal, I was not able to remove the carrier film with the 3M masking tape, untacked. I stayed away from a #11 blade and tweezers as the paint finished was scratched and ruined. In none of the images can you see the carrier film which is as thin as any brand and worked perfectly. On panel #5 at the tip, I added a stencil and did not use any Set or Sol, just soft water for placement. After three hours, I was able to remove the carrier film with no problems and the results are perfect. All four of the panels were painted with MRP Primer, #1 was with Mig Acrylic and the other three were lacquers: Hataka, Mt Color and HRP. All four panels received a clear gloss coat with Mr Color #46. The decals were applied as follows: 1. With Set and Sol - The carrier film was removed with 3M masking tape and a considerable time was required. I was very careful as to were I applied the masking tape and then burnished the tape. It took a number of times to lift the carrier film 2. With Set and Sol - The carrier film was removed with 3M masking tape and a considerable time. was required. I was very careful as to were I applied the masking tape and then burnished the tape. It took a number of times to lift the carrier film 3. With Set only - The carrier film was removed with the same procedure and lifted up with left effort and less times applying the masking tape. 4. No decal setting solutions were used - the carrier film lifted very quickly and with a lot less effort. In none of my tests did any of the ink/decal lift or scratch and none of the paint lifted as well. All the painted panels look perfect and what seems like carrier film, is the LED lamps reflecting off a few deep panel lines. With the NMF, the decal carrier film was not removed and still can not be seen. Only the tip stencil data had the carrier film removed and if I didn't say anything, it's impossible to tell the difference. I prepared the panels with extreme care and prep for decals, none were polished or rubbed out. The panels are all relatively flat and no extruding details. In the end, the decals with the carrier film removed, looks exactly like a painted on marking. I'm happy with my results, will have no hesitations on using the new Eduard decals, either the traditional way or removing the carrier film, depending on what the application calls for. All the images were taken with a Nikon Z7, RAW format of 47 MG and process in Adobe Lightroom. The was absolutely no manipulation of the files at all - What you see is exactly as the test results show. Keep 'em comin Peter 1 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 6 and 7 you can see the carrier film. Not noticeable in any others going by my old eyes. And thanks for sharing.....harv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 Harv Just took another peek and you're right. It's mostly due to the angle of the LED lamps bouncing off the panels and if you could see the actual panels in the flesh, it's nearly impossible to see. But no matter what, all the carrier film was left on all the NMF decals except the tip stencil and I'm happy with that.. Keep 'em comin Peter 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Then go with what's the easiest way. They all look good as the paint ......harv 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Thank you Peter, for going through all the hazzle, to keep us in the loop. Your way of methodical working through the process and document it for us is precious. I will benefit from your results, as I have an Eduard kit with new decals in stash, which I plan to build soon. I hope all the gained expertise will transform to a show stopping P-51 in the end. Cheers Rob 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 Thanks Harv Good advice for sure Keep 'em comin Peter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 Thanks Rob Very much appreciated. I'm going to go the full route with the Eduard decals on my P-51 and hopefully the results will be the same as my tests. Which of the new Eduard kits do you have with the new decals? I have the 48th scale P-51D Iwo Jima Very Long Range Mustang and the decals are Eduard with a 6-7-2020 date on the decals, so you will need to check to be sure. Keep 'em comin Peter. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocRob Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 I have the Do-17 boxing called 'Kampfstift' in 48 scale. The decals and separate stencils are dated 2021, so they should qualify. Cheers Rob 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 Rob Nice kit choice and the decals should be the new style Keep 'em comin Peter 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinnfb Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 As Rob said above, thank you for going through the whole ordeal in order to make this detail report, much appreciated 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzaS Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Thank you for your efforts, Peter. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 Thanks Martin, very much appreciated. First time I ever dug into a fact finding issue this deeply and ended with some useful information and a workable technique. Keep ‘em comin Peter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 Gaz Thank you and glad I could help answer some of the Eduard decal questions Keep ‘em comin Peter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlrwestSiR Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Peter, thanks for the step by step and the comparison of techniques. I've always gotten mixed results with decals so this will help take some guesswork out of it. Carl 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpools Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 Thanks Carl ... glad my test will help out. Seems there is always a curveball in the mix. Keep 'em comin Peter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HubertB Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Looking forward to see your Mustang painted and decalled Hubert 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Thanks Peter for all the research, very informative… 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Just wanted to thank you Peter for taking the time and effort to not only run these tests, but share them with us. Really appreciate it! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahunaminor Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 I have just read through this epic entry Peter. Many thanks for taking one for the team and posting your results. Regards, Kent 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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