Administrators Clunkmeister Posted January 7, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 7, 2019 I thought I’d start this up here where we can all discuss a model I have serious interest in, the HB B-24. I was looking at Iain’s possible fix over on the other site, and it looks seriously promising as a fix for the wing. Nigel and a couple others have been contributing there as well, and Im certainly feeling better about a fix for the wing. This is definitely a kit I’ll be building, so I’m following these discussions with intense interest. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingco57 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Indeed, it's a huge kit and it looks like the box the B-17 came in. But it has it's quirks as is generally known. The turrets (especially the noseturret which was kissed by Frosty the Snowman) and the wingincidence relative to the fuselage are the most obvious. The engines look toylike and underdetailed. But the bottom line is that we have a basic kit which has it's flaws but could form the basis of a nice model built out of the box or a superdetailed/corrected masterpiece. Ian is already heating up his brain for a wingfix. Let's see what everyone has to say...... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_S Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I've been following Iain's thread as well. I would imagine I'll be getting a Liberator, but not until the -D comes out. Ploesti. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelR32 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I think we should also consider that this kit, although it has errors is extremely good value compared to other kits of a similar size. I can also confirm that Airscale will be launching a cockpit upgrade set very soon for this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators James H Posted January 7, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 7, 2019 Pinned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitty44 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I will be waiting for the D myself....well as I sit here now I say that. I could be swayed by descent turret glass and Witchcraft decals though. My hope is to do Zamperini's Superman. There outta be a heap of info by that time! Got get em boys! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HubertB Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Having (copiously) contributed to the thread creep of 1to1scale’s building thread with various comments, and in order not to loose the general information there, I thought it would be good to at least post the link to this thread here, so that the data would not be forgotten ... Hubert 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrankyCrafstman Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 So Hubert should any more info on the engines and there fit be posted here instead? Thanks Ron G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted January 7, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted January 7, 2019 Hey, CC, yes, that's why I did this last night, to avoid blowing up his build thread. They're going to try to move all of the really decent tweaks pics and conversations you guys were having to this thread, and use this as the new spot to post that. I think, given a few builds. we can accumulate a gold mine of tweaks, ideas, and work arounds. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1to1scale Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Good thread, I was thinking about summarizing what i have found and changed in the kit. I am absolutely having a blast working on this kit, adding detail, scratch building it all myself. I have more pictures to share, but I use my iPad for almost everything, and I destroyed the screen on it last week, so Im waiting for repair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrankyCrafstman Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Hey 1to1 That sucks, hope that the new one is even better, good luck and thanks for moving all the stuff to this thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npb748r Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I picked the kit up before Christmas but haven't looked too deeply inside. My biggest issue is trying to agree with myself what scheme to do it in. I'm not a fan of bare metal finish, not keen on nose art and don't want to do a US plane. So I started with RAF coastal command thought but ignoring my list of don't likes/wants, I've thought about blue finish USN, RAF 100 Group, RAF SEA scheme and then Chinese and India schemes. I've never owned a kit that has caused me so much trouble working out what to build. At the moment, I'm back to a coastal command scheme ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted January 8, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted January 8, 2019 That’s where you’ll be. Most Canadian Liberators had some type of nose art. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitty44 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 The best B-24 tip is, don't give one to Ernie cause it will never get finished! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrankyCrafstman Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Hey all The Williams brothers engines came in the mail today. Here are some pictures showing the difference between the kit parts and the kit cowl with the WB engine. The WB's engines are not to scale, that is to say they are the size of the kit engines, which are also not to scale. This is good in that they fit in the cowl perfectly! Well take a look and judge for yourself. First pic is a comparison of the kit and WB. Second two pics are the kit engines. Last two are the kit cowl over the WB's engine. They still need alot of work. I'm going to replace the push rod tubes with 1/32" styrene rod. I'm also going to replace the ignition pipe with a 0.040" styrene rod bent to shape and drilled out for the spark plug leads. Then I have to scratch build the propeller pitch regulator. Then I have to figure out how to fit it all into the cowl and nacelles, no big deal...OH wait a minute I have to do this for times...So is the fun of modeling. Ron G. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HubertB Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Ron, I read your comment about the WB engines not being to scale as a confirmation that they might rather be R-1535 ... The main difference with the R-1830 lies in the size of the crankcase IIRC ... But at least they fit into the cowlings without too much hassle and look better than the kit’s engines. Congrats for having found a cost-effective solution for improving the engines. Now for another question : I have read a comment on LSP that the props were actually too small in diameter... Hubert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrankyCrafstman Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Hey Hubert I read that too. I don't know if it's true, haven't had a chance to check them. What size are they supposed to be? Ron G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnB Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Very interesting! I will be watching this thread as I have some interest in building one (although I hope I get over it!) LOL 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrankyCrafstman Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Hey all Does anybody know what size propellers were used on the B-24's? I've been looking everywhere and can't find any information on them. Ron G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaleRC Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 B-24 prop diameter 11'-7" See page 7 of "List of Propellers and Governors For Service Aircraft", 15 May, 1945 https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0578/9125/files/List_of_Propellers_and_Governors_for_Service_Aircraft_1945_wwii.pdf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber_County Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 19 hours ago, ScaleRC said: B-24 prop diameter 11'-7" Wow good call, welcome to LSM the friendliest and chilled out site on the net..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrankyCrafstman Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Hey all Just checked the kit props they measure out to 11' 2" so they are 2 1/2" short in radius. Which in 1/32 scale is 0.078125" or 1.9844mm. I'm not going to sweet that for now, if someone comes up with corrected ones I'll swap em out. Ron G 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Clunkmeister Posted January 14, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted January 14, 2019 Yeah, that’s all but unnoticeable in 1/32, especially when spread over a prop arc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1to1scale Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 On 1/12/2019 at 2:29 PM, CrankyCrafstman said: Hey all The Williams brothers engines came in the mail today. Here are some pictures showing the difference between the kit parts and the kit cowl with the WB engine. The WB's engines are not to scale, that is to say they are the size of the kit engines, which are also not to scale. This is good in that they fit in the cowl perfectly! Well take a look and judge for yourself. First pic is a comparison of the kit and WB. Second two pics are the kit engines. Last two are the kit cowl over the WB's engine. They still need alot of work. I'm going to replace the push rod tubes with 1/32" styrene rod. I'm also going to replace the ignition pipe with a 0.040" styrene rod bent to shape and drilled out for the spark plug leads. Then I have to scratch build the propeller pitch regulator. Then I have to figure out how to fit it all into the cowl and nacelles, no big deal...OH wait a minute I have to do this for times...So is the fun of modeling. Ron G. Thank you! I ordered a set of these engines myself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrankyCrafstman Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Hey 1to1 Remember you have to fix the upper area of the front gear case, by adding the prop pitch regulator. I'm going to try and do a how to fix it build thread on them. How to do the prop pitch regulator, how to replace the push rod tubes with more accurate tubes, how to make a correct ignition pipe and add the plug wires. Ron G 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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