IBG models PZL P.11c. Finished

[Clunkmeister]

9 hours ago, HubertB said:

Don’t forget (but I am sure you know  ) that the exhaust collector ring was heated steel - and not brass, nor black.

Hubert

Yes I know. I may need to change it a bit because it sure looks black in the pics.  

I used Alclad exhaust manifold paint with a bit of copper and stainless added, followed by various hot metal clears and sepia.  It sure looks black in the pics..

[Bomber_County]

Looks stunning Ernie, be interested to know about the powders, just finished my Tempest and it needs some weathering but scared to hit it with panel wash etc.......

[Clunkmeister]

On 4/21/2020 at 2:14 PM, Bomber_County said:

Looks stunning Ernie, be interested to know about the powders, just finished my Tempest and it needs some weathering but scared to hit it with panel wash etc.......

Phil, weathering powders are an old model railroader trick.  They come in the normal range of colors and if you apply them over a deadflat surface, they cling to the surface and look incredibly realistic. The downside is that unless you seal them with clear, they rub off when you handle the model.  When you seal them, the effect tones down a lot, so you need to apply several times to get the effect you want.   

I’d say they have much more use in armor modeling, but if you need to replicate dirt, grime, and such on an airplane, they work well.

I much prefer oils. Used the same way we use washes, etc.  Apply the oils, then draw them across the surface with a turpentine dampened brush.   I get my best effects with oils, and if you don’t like the look, you have an hour or so go wipe them off before they stain.

[Clunkmeister]

So she’s starting to look the part. 

Just slightly changing the light position totally changes he look of the Polish khaki.  No wonder this color had raging debates over what it was for 80 years.

[Martinnfb]

That looks really , really good ! 

[Clunkmeister]

But the lens is my friend here. I saw I forgot to paint the cockpit coaming, so on went some basic leather. Distressing it a bit tomorrow, I think. 

I need to mount the convex rearview mirror, touch up the edges, finish the exterior weathering, and mount the dipole antenna.

[Clunkmeister]

2 minutes ago, Martinnfb said:

That looks really , really good ! 

Thanks Martin.  I don’t think I like the darkish streaks outboard on the wings.  Yes, they’re often seen on models, but to me, they aren’t realistic.  Out there, there’s no reason for that to happen, so, tomorrow he’ll perform the magic disappearing act. 

[DocRob]

On 4/3/2020 at 1:22 AM, RZP303 said:

Don't know if this will help, but these are a couple of photos I took two years ago on a trip to Poland. From what I understand , during this latest restoration they matched the Khaki to paint patches and oversprays that were hidden under overlapped panels and inside panels. It turns out to be much closer to brown than green or olive. I've seen it compared to RAF Dark Earth, with a little green. I'm no expert on Polish colours yet, but from what I have read they took pains to get the colours correct. 

Others here may know more. 

Richard

 

On 4/1/2020 at 5:31 AM, Clunkmeister said:

Ok, I’ve been working on a khaki mix.

PZL’s khaki:

 

 

Clunk khaki:

Phew, had to go back to page three, to find what was nagging me. The PZL looks great, but as I saw your new close ups of the cockpit area, it hit me. Too few shadows in the fuselage planking. Even with the different lighting on the above pics, the single sheets are clearly distinguishable. Nothing that can't be done with a little bit of wash, but it adds to the roughly hewn appearance of the real thing .

Cheers Rob

[Clunkmeister]

2 hours ago, DocRob said:

 

Phew, had to go back to page three, to find what was nagging me. The PZL looks great, but as I saw your new close ups of the cockpit area, it hit me. Too few shadows in the fuselage planking. Even with the different lighting on the above pics, the single sheets are clearly distinguishable. Nothing that can't be done with a little bit of wash, but it adds to the roughly hewn appearance of the real thing .

Cheers Rob

I agree Rob, there are areas that could use some roughening up. Maybe a bit of wash followed by a bit more of a semi gloss topcoat? We certainly don’t want to overdo the wash, but the dead flat of the khaki is, to me, a bit extreme.

I still struggle with the appearance of the khaki itself. To my eyes, it appears too light and a bit too brown.

In person, it’s VERY brown.  My original choice of color was a MMP color,  ‘Rail Tie Brown’, but instead, went with the specially developed Hataka light Polish khaki.

Here’s my original choice:

 

Compared to the Hataka ‘Light Polish Khaki’. I used this right out of the bottle.

 

 

 

[Clunkmeister]

None of the really match either the restoration, or the model, despite the model being sprayed with the bottom of the two colors.  I sprayed it over grey primer, so it isn’t washed out at all. Maybe I should have used black primer?

 

[DocRob]

Personally I don't like dead flat finishes on planes, I think it doesn't look right, considering the scale effect. I use completely flat Colours for figure painting only especially for faces and cloth.
Your Khaki is surely hard to judge from the pics, given the different light conditions and use of flash, but I actually like the tone of the Colour. It would be more or less what I expected to get for my Karas, with maybe trying to give a little bit more saturation through a hint of red brown filter.

Cheers Rob 

[Clunkmeister]

1 hour ago, DocRob said:

Personally I don't like dead flat finishes on planes, I think it doesn't look right, considering the scale effect. I use completely flat Colours for figure painting only especially for faces and cloth.
Your Khaki is surely hard to judge from the pics, given the different light conditions and use of flash, but I actually like the tone of the Colour. It would be more or less what I expected to get for my Karas, with maybe trying to give a little bit more saturation through a hint of red brown filter.

Cheers Rob 

We're sympatico on the dead flat finish. I'll be overspraying in a semi gloss once I have the tones correct and my poiwders are all on.   Dead flat metal finishes are usually found on ancient farm implements after sitting abandoned, baking in the hot sun for 80 years.

but the dead flat is by far the best surface to apply powders on. the powder clings much better to the slightly rough finish.

Rob, I will say that my photographic abilities come and go with the abilities of my iPhone.  As the capabilities of the phone increase, so goes my photography skills.  

 

 

[Clunkmeister]

I’m about ready to call this one finished.   A month start to finish. Almost a record for me. 
A couple pics I snapped the other night,.... I’ll take some better pics in a day or so and post in finished builds. 
I need to figure out the antenna system as there is conflicting information there  

[BlrwestSiR]

Really nice looking build Ernie. Might just have to get one.

Carl

[CrankyCrafstman]

She's a real beauty Ernie 

Ron G 

[JohnB]

Very nice job Ernie.

[GusMac]

Lovely job Ernie. Love that gunsight on top of the wing.

[harv]

Wow, I love it. I will get one one day.......harv 

[Martinnfb]

Really really nice, incredibly fast build Ernie, with an impressive result. Bravo!

Cheers

Martin

[DocRob]

Very nice Ernie, your PZL build was a joy to follow and it inspired me almost to buy one, which was only hindered by the pressing issue of getting my WNW panic under control, buy purchasing some kits. But this nice airframe will stay on my list, as is your great and informative WIP.

Cheers Rob

[Jeff]

Masterful job !

[1to1scale]

Well done! I love it!

[GazzaS]

 

Congrats on a job well done, Ern!

[Spitfire]

Great job that looks really good, and built at warp speed as well, I will have to book a slot in my build schedule to build mine.

 

Cheers

 

Dennis

[Bomber_County]

Stunning Ernie.......and fast build as well..........congrats